r/science mods get triggered by facts, lock thread that shows the "pay gap" isn't due to descrimination

ABC_Florida · 2016-05-22T08:30:51+00:00

A quote from the mod who locked your post:

Are they being discouraged from Engineering or Math? Similarly, do married women with PhDs in science with kids work fewer hours than married men PhDs in science? To the extent that choices women make freely and of their own initiative (or due to the reality that women are the ones who must take time away to physically give birth and recover) may lead to lower paying jobs perhaps these differences are acceptable? On the other hand, to the extent that societal or cultural pressures may influence women to steer them away from certain fields (or toward other fields), or change the hours they work or how they are percieved as workers, perhaps there are targetable/modifiable areas which may help to shrink this large gap.

TIL, women are not independent thinking creatures. They are chess pieces played by discouragement and social pressure. Just like men, who are discouraged to work with nurses and get laid more easily. Men are discouraged to work in that field, but they want really bad. But social pressure tells them getting laid easily is a bad thing. The same goes for flight attendants, where only 26% is male. It is a social pressure due to the false patriarchal belief, that testicles explode above 30,000 feet.

And what is the government's solution? Tell women what to do. But no man can tell a woman what she does to her body, or what choices she makes. Only Obama can do it!

I have a CNC manufacturing firm. I have two employees, Jim and Moshe. Both 32 years old, both with 11 years of experience, they graduated from the same school with the same degree, and the same results. Jim was born in Springfield, Il. But Moshe is an Israeli citizen. Jim works 43 hours a week, Moshe works 36 hours a week. Moshe is a reservist, so if someone attacks Israel, he has to leave for months. He may not come back. Why should Moshe's pay be the same, even hourly rate, as Jim's? How many people would call this discrimination?

But the moment Moshe grows a pussy, it is sexism and discrimination.

neurotic_elevator · 2016-05-22T09:23:23+00:00

This doesn't surprise me one bit. Once you control for the field of study and other factors, there isn't a substantial gap and those might be due to factors like work hours, flexibility and academic profile. It isn't the fault of the "patriarchy" that women choose to go into fields of study that pay less. Yes, if you study engineering, physics or mathematics you are more sought after than if you study biology or anthropology or something because that's what society values more at this point. There are other factors in the mix.Although a large number of undergraduates are female, women tend to drop out at far higher levels than men as they progress up the academia food chain, which is why the number of women at the highest levels (Professors etc) is very low in fields like STEM.

This is an interesting article that talks about the "drop-out" phenomenon and this is just in biomedical sciences which is more "women-friendly":

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2247379/

Personal anecdotal experience here (avert your eyes, feminists):

The article above touches on an important issue that I've encountered among women in science (I include myself here) - the lack of confidence in their ability. This is all anecdotal and hasn't been quantified so take it with a pinch of salt. There is nothing more pervasive in this field than the lack of confidence that women have in their ability. I don't think this is due to feedback from other males in that environment, there seems to be an innate lack of it perhaps arising from how women are brought up. This has two major effects:

First, women don't consider themselves "worthy" of the position so either don't apply or negotiate far less compared to their male counterparts.

Second, women are more sensitive to criticism which affects their perception of their working environment causing them to drop out or not pursue their career as aggressively. It is not that women are singled out for criticism - academia is filled with right cunts and everybody gets a good dose of it - the kind of criticism that they are subjected to and their reaction to it is completely different.

Now, I don't know what can be done about these factors other than change the way that women are brought up and subject them to the same rough and tumble that men are subjected to early in their lives. But that requires even acknowledging these issues and that is verboten in the current climate. All being "politically correct" is doing is discouraging a frank discussion on these issues which ultimately doesn't benefit anyone.

TL;DR: If you don't play, you don't win.

thenovamaster · 2016-05-22T19:58:55+00:00

The mods over there have always been anti-fact. Post anything that doesn't agree with their narrative and watch your post get deleted.

riotguards · 2016-05-22T09:19:37+00:00

Welp TIL /r/Science is actually /r/FicScience

v0atg0at · 2016-05-22T13:12:27+00:00

https://r.go1dfish.me/r/science/comments/4kcwl4/why_women_earn_less_just_two_factors_explain/?sort=confidence

Suffercure · 2016-05-23T16:19:58+00:00

You know how many times the following comment of mine was removed:

why was this comment of mine removed ? "Male psychology student here. That push is stupid. Just because one subject leads to jobs with lower earnings then that of another subject, doesnt mean the former is a less important subject then the latter. It might be just as important as the latter, if not more and vice versa. Just let people study what they want to study. Stop trying to manipulate or force them." It is neither Anti-woman or sexist in any other way. Just because my opinion is different than yours doesn't mean that you should remove these differing opinions to make an echo-chamber to spread your agenda.

They said that I shouldnt argue about comment removal in the comment thread so I just commented the part in the brackets and also specifically requested them to not remove my comment and that im not here to argue about my previous removals. Yeah... they removed that too.

KatyPerrysBoobs2 · 2016-05-23T05:52:44+00:00

I don't know anything about the R/science mods, but I imagine they received a lot of complaints from the feminist subreddits. I know Trollx had a thread up about the article and one of their highest upvoted comments said, 'I don't care how accurate the study is, this was created to shit on women'. They literally were complaining that facts were oppressing them.

BukM1 · 2016-05-23T10:35:58+00:00

well that is one more sub i can ignore forever then.

one you start policing stuff like the stasi, i have no interest in you at all

DerTrickIstZuAtmen · 2016-05-26T09:08:30+00:00

Just a fracture of the deleted "offensive" comments.

camdoodlebop · 2016-05-29T19:04:31+00:00

what better way to be a mod then to voice your strong opinion, manually put it at the top for maximum visibility, hide the comment score, and lock the comments to prevent anyone disagreeing with you!

KittyWithASnapback · 2016-05-26T03:08:15+00:00

Aww man I came here expecting to see a dissection of the moderators comment but there was only one comment here that talked about only one point. Cmon guys, dispute the whole thing!

Title	r/science mods get triggered by facts, lock thread that shows the "pay gap" isn't due to descrimination
Author	Hannibal_Khan
Upvotes	332
Comments	29
Date	May 22, 2016 8:06 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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