Do feminists ever "see the light"?

RunawayGrain · 2019-01-24T21:00:32+00:00

Disclaimer: I am not even remotely considering getting back together with her

I see this, but what I'm hearing from the post is: "Is it possible she fixes herself so we can get back together one day?"

During our relationship, I was never right with the Lord and was far from being a godly man. We were living together, and thus, living in sin. Which makes me wonder, had I focused on Christ, my mission, and leading our relationship from a biblical perspective, could things have been different?

An example I've used before is that there's a girl out there that turned down Jeff Bezos back in high school. She kicks herself every day. But what if he had actually hooked up with her and gotten married. Would he have started Amazon? Maybe not.

Don' worry about what was. Worry about what is. On top of that, all the things you described yourself doing, she was doing too. If you described yourself as not godly, neither was she. If you had been closer to a godly path, chances are you wouldn't have been messing around with that.

I know that with God all things are possible, but what would it take to get someone to put their feminist beliefs aside?

I've seen a few. Cassie Jaye comes to mind. But I think perhaps your question is more along the lines of 'could my ex be fixed.' The answer is, she could, if she decided to go that route herself. You can't fix her, though. Plus the feminist angle, shacking up with a guy, and your description of the guy that attracted her -- 'far from being a godly man' -- says she has a pretty shallow pool of belief.

In short, she isn't your problem. Don't make her your problem.

2019-01-25T04:10:56+00:00

No. Things wouldn't have been different. You're literally fighting decades of social conditioning.

You need to find a woman socially conditioned the right way. Even then you don't have 100% guarantee. But you're infinitely more likely to succeed.

Women are like children. A child wants to stay up late and eat candy. If this child was given authority, his life and health would soon be in horrible condition - he then would hate the choices he made of freedom or not be aware of them.

Women are the same. They want authority. They want all feminism preaches, it's attractive and feels good. However, they find themselves with broken homes, unable to stay in relationships, unattracted to their beta males they helped create, miserable, old and lonely soon enough. You can't condition this desire out of her more than you can tell a 3 year old that eating candy all day is bad.

Auxfite · 2019-01-25T02:33:27+00:00

When a woman refuses to take on your last name in marriage, or she insists on hyphenating it, just know this is the same intent as a man insisting on a pre-nup. She's has no real desire for you and is planning ahead for the eventual split

Deep_Strength · 2019-01-24T21:56:23+00:00

During our relationship, I was never right with the Lord and was far from being a godly man. We were living together, and thus, living in sin. Which makes me wonder, had I focused on Christ, my mission, and leading our relationship from a biblical perspective, could things have been different?

Depends on what you mean by different. Both you and her would have been more "happy" in the relationship? Sure, for as much hate as feminists deal to men, they still want a masculine man that is dominant in and out of bed. You can see many feminists admit that they hate this.

But the real question is would you be more "holy?" Probably not. It's all well and good until you get into conflict scenarios. When given a choice to choose between God or their feelings, most people and even Christians choose their feelings. They are either immature believers or fake Christians. When their feelings are confirmed in a worldly identity, that is asking for trouble.

I know that with God all things are possible, but what would it take to get someone to put their feminist beliefs aside?

The same thing it takes people to be saved. Acknowledge that they are sinners, confess their sins, and believe and start to follow Christ and not worldly views.

FlyingBaratoplata · 2019-01-24T22:32:39+00:00

I don't want to be too blunt but I'm not sure she is actually saved. I'm not sure she knows Jesus in a personal way, and has His nature. I can't see how her heart wouldn't change, especially with things like abortion, and especially for a guy who is firm in his commitment.

The risk is, as u/RunawayGrain pointed out (I think this is what he was getting at) is her faking it if you try to lead the dialog. That is exactly NOT what you want because it will make everything much harder.

She obviously is pair bonded to you, but if there is a way you can subtly ask her if she has actually submitted to Christ, repenting of her sins, and committing to sacrifice her carnal issues and insecurities (feminism and abortion) it may work. The submission scriptures are always a good litmus test, even just to gauge her acceptance of the Word to consider them (I'm not a legalist but a good woman understands the spirit and context of those scriptures.) If she comes to accept these without your prompting, I think it could work. Be careful though... last thing you want is a wife who aborts your child because she's been cheating on you.

Ephesians 5:22-24

1 Peter 3:1-7

1 Timothy 2:11-12

Ephesians 5:22-33

Colossians 3:18

Titus 2:3-5

1 Peter 3:1-6

Willow-girl · 2019-01-25T04:59:44+00:00

Well, I can say from personal experience that I got tired of beating my head against the wall and trying to hammer a round peg into a square hole. At some point you realize that certain things just don't work! What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? Yeah, I'm not crazy.

Women of my generation were on the cutting edge of the idea that marriages should be egalitarian, but while my peers and I were often happy to take on challenging careers, our men for the most part didn't embrace housework and childcare. (And it's certain not for lack of nagging!) I've written elsewhere about how I spent a 12-year marriage trying to get a husband to do "his fair share." It never happened, of course, and resentment will kill romance quicker than anything!

The change in my attitude came about somewhat accidentally. I quit a corporate job rather abruptly after management pulled some shenanigans that didn't sit well with me. I decided to take a non-career-track job and coast for a little while before ramping up my job search. I went to work on a dairy farm and discovered I loved it! It sounds cliche, I know, but I found my true calling. That was 15 years ago and I still haven't sent out any resumes, lol.

When I let go of my career aspirations, I had more time at home, and found I liked it. And my romantic relationships were less stressful after I stopped expecting the men in my life to help with housework. Nowadays my man and I have pretty traditional roles: I clean things and he fixes things! That's not to say I'm not still a workaholic; I have a small business, a part-time job and a 1099 gig, lol. But none of them take up the time or mental energy that editing a newspaper did.

dysfunctionalJedi · 2019-01-25T11:53:07+00:00

Just like everyone else, the only thing that can lead you to truth (or her) is the Holy Spirit. I find it difficult to believe that she is sincerely praying and studying the bible and not finding conflicting information that oppose her political views. At the same time, that's her own journey. You seem to obviously still have feelings for this woman and that's a shame. it's not on you to 'show' someone the light other than revealing your own testimony of the presence of the LORD and biblical truths.

Perhaps the conversations that you had while in that relationship will reveal the truth in due time (perhaps 10 years down the road when she experiences a tragedy the LORD will bring her to those conversations all those years back, etc). We will never know the story that the LORD is crafting for other people. If you're simply concerned then add her to your prayer list and remember not to seek validation but simply have faith that the LORD does all things in the correct manner and time.

SeamusAwl · 2019-01-25T20:53:48+00:00

Cassie Jaye, the director/producer to the film "The Red Pill" She started it as a way of showing how bad toxic masculinity. But the process of filming it opened her eyes. It was an interesting watch and it does show that feminists can in fact "see the light".

4percent3381 · 2019-01-25T22:11:54+00:00

She attends mass devoutly yet keeps her heart away from God? And you think you could do better?

She doesn’t have different political views, she has different morals than God. No where does the Bible say to murder your unborn child or that women are head of house.

Hopefully you will screen for a worthy wife and look back on this question with disgust and thank the Lord for his mercy you avoided misery and divorce-rape.

Willow-girl · 2019-01-26T14:18:59+00:00

IIRC from your deleted post, this was the girl you fell madly in love with, and were exchanging "ILYs" and planning a life together after just a couple of weeks?

I wonder whether your ties to her were at the heart of your ambivalence with "Beth" the church girl? I got the feeling from your posts that "Beth" was a check-all-the-boxes girl, but your heart was elsewhere.

Shifting gears a bit ... can a man put up with a feminist? I think it depends on the degrees. If you're at the far end of the spectrum and think women shouldn't be able to vote or drive, there probably won't be much common ground. If you're somewhere in the middle -- say, like Red who seems happy that his wife has a great job -- I think it's do-able.

My man and I have a lot of political differences (he's a straight-ticket Democrat, lol) but they really don't cause any conflict in our everyday life (and I think I'm winning him over to my way of thinking by pointing out how much money we stand to lose if the socialists get their way, heh!). Now, if you can't respect the other person -- if you think their beliefs are just stupid and reveal a serious lack of logic -- that's probably a deal breaker. But if you can say, "I can see how a reasonable person could come to that conclusion, even if I don't agree with it," well, it's possible to just let some things rest. We'll have to agree to disagree, etc.

One thing is certain, though: you should never go into a relationship with the goal or intention or even the hope of changing the other person! Because that-right-there is a recipe for disaster, IMO.

Red-Curious · 2019-01-26T18:11:53+00:00

Every feminist sees and knows the red pill. They just think it's the darkness and that they're the light. They're not ignorant; they're just wrong.

Title	Do feminists ever "see the light"?
Author	Awayhethrows1961
Upvotes	10
Comments	24
Date	January 24, 2019 8:04 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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