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[–]beachbbqlover points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
she deserves it and I will continue to treat these kind of women like the scum they are.
You're maligned. They're not scum, they're women. You don't get mad at the cat because it's frustrating to herd cats or because it shit on your floor.
Next time they won't get close enough to LTR status.
That'll sure teach them. I mean her. Except it's a different person?
I would suggest you're not sociopathic, just exhausted with the failed shit tests to the point of IDGAF.
I would frequently do thing selflessly for her to be happy.
Mostly we would blame me for everything like a crazy person.
You accepted her low evaluation of you equating to low SMV. Arguing lowers it further. So does fighting. So does trying to prove yourself.
She did what was natural.
[–]thermalballsweat-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the analysis. Really if all women are like that then I just have to keep treating them like they are beneath me. Just like she had complained that I did to her.
The arguing I walked away many times. I've given warnings and followed through with whatever I've said if she tried to get on my nerves etc. Overall she seemed like a very incomplete person with a huge gap that another person shouldn't need to fill. So I never was able to logically Invest much in her. Just took the pussy and got to expand my influence to her friends for future use etc. I always commanded respect without saying anything. She always wanted to be around me and with me. My value seemed high in her eyes so she always wanted me to put her on the pedestal she put me. She would ask what I want her to cook everyday. She never slacked off with trying to prove herself so I thought I kept her on edge all the time. I don't think that's how she is with any guy, I think it's how I influenced her and how my energy made her act. She always knew if she messed up I would next her. She told me all this. I could make her do anything I wanted her to if I asked just once. She's been pleading now that she has issues and she think she needs counseling. shrugs In the end I feel like I got her to Invest and got lots of things out of that, and I don't feel hurt, and I've gotten contacts with all her friends that she would praise me to, so I feel it's at least a positive for me.
[–]DigitallyDisrupt1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Really if all women are like that then I just have to keep treating them like they are beneath me.
Do you treat a dog like it's beneath you, or like it's a different species?
[–]thermalballsweat0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
A bit of both I think. I wouldn't treat a dog like a human being, but as a dog.
[–]DigitallyDisrupt3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wouldn't treat a dog like a human being, but as a dog
Don't treat a woman as a man, but as a woman. That doesn't mean you treat them like they are beneath you, because they can not help being a woman any more than a dog can help being a dog.
[–]thermalballsweat1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Gotcha. Thanks for the insight. I may not have completely treated her like a woman, but I didn't not appreciate the constant test of trying to overpower me. It would never happen. I would continue to stand my ground, while trying to also treat her well. I stood my ground respectfully. The fact that she couldn't own me is what seemed to frustrate her so she sought power via infidelity. I felt too powerful to her, I never tried to treat her beneath me. She said that how she felt. She is a modern day feminist. She would've love to be the breadwinner and have a stay at home dad. She wanted power to feel complete. Maybe I'm just a jerk 'shrugs
[–]BestSC865 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It was a toxic relationship from the beginning, but you tolerated because the pussy was good.
You didn't submit though which in the long run will make you happier....she is off to find her beta provider and will be married in two years tops with a couple of kids within 5 years.
[–]88Will88 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You have it half right, the relationship was always toxic. She is not off to find a beta provider, she is off to ride the carousel and find an alpha who wants her around long term. If she finds that guy then yeah she may be pregnant at around 28 when the baby rabies kicks in. Also reading between the lines OP did not handle his shit well and he is lying. Noone "laughs for hours" when they find their girl wanting to suck off a dude who sent her dick pics. He would like to think he is some sort of Patrick Bateman but he is butthurt and here to get validation. He failed to give her either the comfort or leadership she craved, and now she is gone. She does not sound crazy to me, her diagnosis is easy: female.
[–]J-Mosc4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have to say it is odd that if you really don't feel any bad feelings and it really doesn't bother you because she only proved you right and you're now better off without a skank - then why are you so quick to say you'll never let another one become a LTR? You aren't any worse off, you had the benefits of sex when you wanted it. And if you're not upset then why not do it again? Doesn't add up.
The reason I said that is that I picked her up from a pool of women that I should never have chosen a LTR. I will chose more wisely and never from that demographic. I'm not becoming a monk or anything like that. I don't feel upset, I feel numb. Maybe later it will kick in, maybe it never will. We had arguments these past few weeks where I chose not to engage. Each time she got more hysterical. I had to tell her she seemed like a crazy person when I am not drawn into the sphere of the dramatic influence. I've been numb for a long time . This is just the nail in the coffin.
[–]Hakametal1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would go a tiny bit further and say her diagnosis is that she's insecure. Women who are like this are controlling, needy and create unnecessary drama if things don't fit her "reality".
Whether or not he passed her shit-tests, they would have still continued on the same consistent basis. This is the pattern of the insecure woman. His FR even alludes to this. I've been in an LTR with this type of woman also, and as you said they are toxic and incompatible. Your post on relationships supposed to be easy is fantastic and I look forward to more content from you.
[–]thermalballsweat0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Well the laughing for hours is exaggeration, but I truly do not feel hurt. It's almost like I've been waiting for her to prove she is just a human being. She was very hopeful and expressed that she had everything to offer. I was not bad to her. I was dominant yet caring, to be honest I don't think she could manage an alpha guy. She had told me many times I am a very manly man. It was obvious between us who was leading, to the point that she felt she always had to chase me. I kept the her always investing more than I ever did. When it all went down, I was calm. I gave a few minutes to get her shit and vacate my space. She cried, plead, and continues to do so. I ignored. I kept my grace and just laughed. I refuse to feel anything. For now at least it's a breathe of fresh air and I'm getting ready to fuck her friend. I may have come here for validation, but I was sharing a scenario and asking for feedback on performance, not trying to paint an image of myself that is false. In my eyes she just seems like a very fragile person now. She doesn't like dominance. I may not be a complete alpha, but I'm no pushover. There is much more to the story for a full picture to be painted. For me to have been with her longer term she always had to prove herself to me. Not me to her. The pussy was ok but I never placed much value in it, my logic would never let me place that commitment in her. Because of our history it would be foolish of me. She wants to be serenaded everyday and always looked to me for her happiness. The kind of guy she wants is one that will worship her. I say this because I know her. She wants some power. She was always kept in a submissive role around me. I don't remember if I mentioned that she idolizes the modern day feminist.
[–]BestSC860 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The second comment was said mostly in jest as from the OPs tone but I get your point, I didn't think OP would react well to what you said....he wasn't mastering and fucking this girl as he wanted to believe and I doubt this is the first time she has sought out other dick.
Honestly, abundance mentality would have him next this girl a long while ago and let her go find the dude whom would give her what she craved...commitment. Instead of wasting time fighting with her for so long about it....but he loved this 'special' pussy so he made concessions and fought with this one about that commitment for a year or more.
[–]Lsegundo6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Your turn is over. Sounds like you had a good run. Congratulations.
Your 2017: Freedom!, opportunity to find more/better females
Her 2017: Skyrocketing N count through pump and dumps, eventually realizes she lost her captain, possible alpha widowing
[–]DigitallyDisrupt3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your 2017 / Her 2017
That's it in a nutshell.
You've got 20 years of being better. She's got 2 max, then the crazy genes, if they are in her, turn on. 3 more after that and panic starts to set in and she gets baby rabies and trys her first go at locking someone down.
[–]pandaholic230 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm confused. A WALT and they all love the carousel but there's better women..
[–]thefisherman1964 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I sometimes wonder am I red pill, or am I a sociopath
Who cares. A lot of guys would envy you to be in a position where getting cheated on doesn't hurt in the slightest. It must be nice to have such a strong IDGAF attitude
Truthfully she deserves it and I will continue to treat these kind of women like the scum they are
She's not scum. Don't blame women, why wouldn't she enjoy strange cock if she has the opportunity? You don't get mad at a fish for swimming just like you don't get mad at a woman for cheating. All women will cheat under the right circumstances - meaning if her partner is too beta. You weren't alpha enough so she found a guy that she (perceived) to be more alpha than you. It's your fault that she cheated on you. Women have zero concept of honor and loyalty so don't ever expect them to be loyal and honorable because they can't do it. Hypergamy prevents it. They are evolutionary programmed to be disloyal and dishonorable because it means she will have a higher chance of getting access to better genetics to reproduce with. It's no different than you being evolutionary programmed to eat food.
If you don't give a fuck that's great - many guys would envy you. But if you don't want that to happen to you again, then be more alpha to reduce the chances of it happening again.
[–]perplexedm1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I haven't said or done anything that is misogynistic to her but she just feel powerless against me. Maybe she did that as a way to gain power. Who knows?
The reason why they abuse their victim card, etc. is all because of this. They want attention, then power over the relationships.
I sometimes wonder am I red pill, or am I a sociopath ?
In current world, if you can see through bullshit you face everyday, many will automagically turn to sociopaths. But, that is not a good option.
[–]_Insidious_ 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Red pill as fuck bro. Don't stop being the brick wall.
[–]bomerr points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Honestly from the sound of it you seem like total asshole here.
You are a 30 year old immature man with trust issues. You are a dick, you don't care what other people think of you and you don't care about taking responsibility for your actions. Yes you are a Sociopath or at the very least severely damaged.
Here is the truth. Healthy relationships require both people to trust each other. Both people to look out for each other's best interest. Anything else leads to trust issues. You start developing an unhealthily mentality (is this person cheating on me? are they ignoring me? are they trying to overpower me). Instead of helping each other grow, the relationship becomes a competition for dominance. It's a death cycle. No person makes any compromises for the other person. Arguments and fights occur. Eventually one person realizes they aren't satisfied in the relationship and they cheat. This template seems to fit your relationship very well.
If you were a healthy individual you would realize that yes a lot of women (and men) cannot be trusted which is why it's too important to properly vet them. Instead you make justifications and rationalize for why LTR are bad and further Harden the trust issues.
Next time they won't get close enough to LTR status
But this will just stop you from ever being happy because deep down on the inside you know that
You need to fix yourself m8.
As for this women. She probably has problems of her own if she was willing to be with your for 2 years.
Thanks for the input. Let me clarify, I take responsibility for my actions but I don't care about seeking approval from others to make decisions in my life. I lead my path. There was trust, the mentioning of power and equality etc was not from me. This was her thinking and how she voiced her opinion, I was just being myself. A leader. I made compromises, many. I was in a LTR so I treated the other person with significance. My firm stature was about myself and not being disrespected as a person. We all have issues, but we are also adults and instead of being a snake, things can be dealt with sincerely with a clean break. The path that was taken seemed to be an attempt to inflict as much hurt as possible. The most disrespectful. I agree with learning to properly vetting. I'll do a better job next time.
but I don't care about seeking approval from others to make decisions in my life
A leader
Then you aren't a leader. People ALLOW others to lead them because they trust (another example of trust) them to better their lives. Seeking some approval from others is normal, healthy and required to calibrate. It's about a balance.
I take responsibility for my actions
I do not believe this given everything you have said.
etc.
[–]thermalballsweat0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I respectfully disagree. Positive criticism is great for building the self with an open mind. It's an internal goal. Seeking approval from someone who wants to dictate how you should be is different. One is driven by the self, the other is driven as a result of being made to feel inadequate and trying to live up an other's expectations.
The situation is not as transparent as you may think it is, I've mainly pointed out the concerns I had and things that she had said that may have lead to her being unhappy. She was concerned about power. I never mentioned to her that I was in a position of power. She mentioned she felt weak when compared to me and she didn't like feeling submissive. She mentioned I was like a brick wall. I didn't tell her that. This is her perspective. If I have no barriers then I cannot vet. Obviously if you praise vetting you must have a barrier to screen out under qualified candidates. Barriers are normal. I will not choose to be in LTR when I see certain qualities that I saw in that LTR.
[–]bomerr1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
that is a manifestation of your own self-esteem issues. the truth is you want to calibrate based on both internal and external sources.
She mentioned she felt weak when compared to me and she didn't like feeling submissive
I don't have enough information to know the super details of your interaction but I will say this, if you are a strong man then you need to find strong women. weak women will be too intimidated by strong men. The theory in this subreddit is that the alpha male bangs 10 beta females but IRL the alpha male mates with the alpha female because he scared away all the beta women.
[–]speak_ur_mind1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You treated her like shit.
She cheated out of frustration and you finally have a reason to justify your shitty behaviour.
Ofcourse you find it funny- this gave you a scapegoat to justify your dick behaviour. You don't own your behaviour at all and call the chick crazy.
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