Addressing the hypocrisy and double standards in "TRP" philosophy

athrowaway-9001 · 2021-06-07T00:42:14+00:00

All I see here are cherry picked platitudes with practically no discussion. Sure, you can moralize and claim that we are looking like the "toxic side of the other coin", but remember that TRP is the response to modern day feminism.

Tons of kids that have gone through the blue pilled, feminist-centric narrative have become emasculated to the point where they are ashamed of their sexuality and are content with quick dopamine hits of porn, video games, and drugs.

Have the lines been blurred along the way? Perhaps. Keep in mind though that a lot of the anger has come from past experiences with women and lots of frustrated men are now trying to reclaim their masculine identity, which by the way is also controversial in today's modern society.

Now let me try to address the points you made.

"Women would rather share a high value guy than stay with a lesser loyal guy".

Yeah, most guys do the same, or at least a lot of them. How many guys do you know are talking to the 5/10 girl at the bar instead of trying to score a smash and dash on the hot slutty girl? Maybe a few, but not the majority.

If you actually looked into the history of it, this was the case in many polygamous tribes. They would seek the best genes possible, which were usually held by the strongest of warriors or royalty. It was not uncommon back then for men to have many wives and mistresses. The women knew full well of each other as well, but they knew their best chances of survival was with the most "fittest" of their tribe.

Yeah most guys do the same.

Except they don't. Time and time again you will see posts of people saying that they have found their unicorn and that they have all the green flags except now they have found that they have been around the CC and lose all interest. Granted they have a Madonna/Whore Complex, but the point still stands.

If you were to Pit a 5/10 guy vs. a 5/10 girl, the girl would in the end have way more suitors than the guy, if any.

"You shouldn't give women attention if they aren't giving you sex".

Well you obviously shouldn't worship anyone who doesn't reciprocate your feelings. But, you can't act like women should be your personal human fleshlight and then get mad when women want you to be their own personal ATM.

This is a new one to me. Perhaps this is a platitude that you've made, but I haven't heard of this one. What I do hear is saying to withdraw attention to women that either waste your time or fooling around with other women in hopes of making you jealous.

Newsflash. Men have feelings too and if they feel like they aren't receiving the attention they need, they will find someone who will; this is also something women do!

Some men may be more black pilled and see women as nothing but human flesh that they can fuck, but there's also other men that initially may have been upset by female nature, but have learned to accept women for their nature.

"Any women will leave you when a better guy comes along".

Yeah, and most men will do the same when a better looking girl comes along. That's why millionaires/billionaires get divorces and marry some 20-something chick every 15 years.

I wouldn't really consider this a point. The platitude that assume AWALT and that women will always operate on their hypergamy is more of a cautionary tale for men. Don't ever think you've found "the one" and think you've come across a unicorn and there's not a single women like her in the planet.

I do disagree however with your point that most men will do the same. I believe men are more likely to be loyal and prone to use logic where they can. They have a very innate sense of loyalty-- usually derived from past times of servitude and wanting to always save women first in time of crises.

"Women mostly only care about money".

True. And men mostly only care about looks. And grass is green.

Again I don't know where you are pulling these platitudes from. I do see men being advised to be more wise with their money and to invest in themselves rather than chasing women that are looking for free meals (which is a thing I have seen first hand as have many men). You could even argue how many men have you seen being treated out on a first date or who fish for meals on dating apps? Not many.

"Never commit to a relationship with a women (only use them for sex and be a man-whore)".

If you want to see someone and aren't interested in committing, fine, just make sure your partner knows and is on the same page. You should never manipulate someone for sex, it's not a "strategy" if you do, it's just a shitty dishonest thing to do. You wouldn't be happy if a woman manipulated you into paying their bills or giving them tons of attention if you didn't get what you wanted in return, it's the same thing.

So at this point I have to assume that you are either a women or someone who is still fairly new to the red pill and conflicted by white knight ideals.

Often we advise against getting in a LTR unless you have vetted them extensively and against marrying (which if you actually look at it, is completely a one sided contract that heavily favors the women at every turn!). This is due in part that too many men in today's day and age have been divorced raped into financial oblivion and even end up in jail for not being able to pay for child support.

These same men will be depressed out of their minds, be forced into a quasi-slave work dynamic where they have to pay for alimony (an outdated concept that has been abused by feminism and women alike) and on top of child support if they have any kids.

In layman terms, women will trade sex for exclusivity with men. However, if a women gives up their only trade (sex), they know they no longer have power and the man that knows this is usually a high value male in the first place.

You should never manipulate someone for sex

Women manipulate men all the time. There have been women who manipulate and blackmail guys into sex (see young, military guys that have been blackmailed into having sex with harpies).

Men and women are just as guilty of each sin you've mentioned. So don't come here moralizing while having a shallow understanding of TRP and spouting inane, platitudes with platitudes.

Edit: if you want me to further explain anything else, feel free to respond and I will when I can. Written on mobile so excuse any grammatical errors

tyrantreddit2020 · 2021-06-07T00:38:33+00:00

Blue pill bs. NAWALT. Unicorn...

OP need to read the sidebar for the first time.

You're ignoring hypergamy; the women inflated SMV; the family law bias; women initiating 80% of all divorces; the light-switch effect;

It's all in the sidebar that you never read

ru_be_nez · 2021-06-06T23:19:39+00:00

Thanks for your opinion, mate. It is very needed in this world where auto-critic is rarely ever practiced

Barsik_The_CaT · 2021-06-06T23:56:44+00:00

I disagree with 2 heavily because sex is a too-way thing, while giving hoe money is only enjoyed by her alone, hence I don't see them comparable.

Deadzone-Music · 2021-06-06T23:09:18+00:00

Well that bold font is annoying... oh well 🤔😩

jpfrana · 2021-06-07T00:58:47+00:00

1) idiotic over-generalization

2) idiotic over-generalization

3) idiotic over-generalization

4) idiotic over-generalization

319Skew · 2021-06-07T00:42:35+00:00

"Women would rather share a high value guy than stay with a lesser loyal guy". Yeah, most guys do the same, or at least a lot of them. How many guys do you know are talking to the 5/10 girl at the bar instead of trying to score a smash and dash on the hot slutty girl? Maybe a few, but not the majority.

You're mixing two concepts. You're mixing women's ability to compromise and men's desire to chase. The original quote was from the rational male:

"Women would rather share a successful Alpha than be saddled with a faithful Beta."

Put in context. If you are a high value you, women would tolerate you having an affair as long as she's the main woman.

If she had a choice between an Alpha Chad billionaire that fools around but still comes home to her or a faithful mailman, do you think she'd go for the mailman?

Reverse the scenario. Not many guys would stay with a hot whore. Most would have been very happy to marry and stay with a unquestionably loyal plane Jane.

Keep it context.

"You shouldn't give women attention if they aren't giving you sex". Well you obviously shouldn't worship anyone who doesn't reciprocate your feelings. But, you can't act like women should be your personal human fleshlight and then get mad when women want you to be their own personal ATM.

You're right. Don't get mad. Move on. At it's core relationships are socially and emotionally fulfilling contracts.

"Any women will leave you when a better guy comes along". Yeah, and most men will do the same when a better looking girl comes along. That's why millionaires/billionaires get divorces and marry some 20-something chick every 15 years.

Billionaires don't make the rule. Overall, in most relationships men aren't the ones who start divorce. Men tend to commit from social conditioning.

"Women mostly only care about money". True. And men mostly only care about looks. And grass is green.

Wrong there. Women tend to want the cake and eat it too. An ideal relationship would be a 80/20 alpha/beta guy 6ft, 6 figure, 6 pack guy that is desirable and can switch between both roles with supernatural precondition. Be able to be a "man" when she needs it and be supportive when she wants it and just know.

Also, hate to ruin this fairy tale you've got but in a relationship there's not true equality. One leads and the other follows. Who do you think calls the shots?

Hell, even if you want to dispute that and promote true equality then I invite you to go to a custody agreement and tell me what you think.

DS_1900 · 2021-06-07T01:25:06+00:00

/u/trpcops isnt' this moralizing and concern trolling?

dynospectrum7 · 2021-06-07T01:47:38+00:00

And #5. "Never commit to a relationship with a women (only use them for sex and be a man-whore)". If you want to see someone and aren't interested in committing, fine, just make sure your partner knows and is on the same page. You should never manipulate someone for sex, it's not a "strategy" if you do, it's just a shitty dishonest thing to do. You wouldn't be happy if a woman manipulated you into paying their bills or giving them tons of attention if you didn't get what you wanted in return, it's the same thing.

Guy. Outside of assault, women aren't being "manipulated" for sex. They sleep with who they want to sleep with. And this nonsense about a woman manipulating us into paying bills or getting attention for nothing in return? Well, its all here as to what to do about that.

RP_utiliser · 2021-06-07T00:01:33+00:00

Well needed post. I have been having the exact same thoughts.

ToughAnswers · 2021-06-07T00:54:34+00:00

You should never manipulate someone for sex, it's not a "strategy" if you do, it's just a shitty dishonest thing to do. You wouldn't be happy if a woman manipulated you into paying their bills or giving them tons of attention if you didn't get what you wanted in return, it's the same thing.

Personally, if you aren't open to committing, I'd recommend only using escorts. Then there is no risk of drama or emotional issues being that the transaction you are after is already understood.

She's a strong independent woman. The social contract is ripped up and we're all free now. only boundaries remaining are laws. Anyone self-imposing even one iota of restraint beyond that are martyrs sacrificing for NOTHING

Mustbeaight · 2021-06-07T00:18:48+00:00

Am I on the right sub? My phone must be twitching again.. what is this bs?

PumpMyKicks · 2021-06-07T00:46:23+00:00

I'm gonna address these in a way that makes sense to me. Not for arguments sake, but for understanding sake.

I think the argument here is that men will literally smash anything. A dude will catch flak for smashing a 4 or 5 but he will do it anyways and doesn't really care. Most guys aren't banging 8, 9, or 10. 7 doesn't count. So most dudes are banging 6 and below. The dichotomy is that women will date up perpetually. This lowers the amount of dudes she will look at, even if she is average. If she is lucky and snags a 7 figure earner, she won't ever look down. Dude smashes a 10, he will still bang a 4. "Talking about" vs "actions" are two different things. Dude will still wife up a good 6 even if he has slept with a bad 9.
It's not about giving attention to someone who isn't banging you. It's about giving attention out for free. Women will take attention if it's doled out for free. The warning is that men fall for this by simping all the God damn time. Sure, if you aren't trying to commit then smash and pass or spin plates. If you are looking for commitment there is obviously different rules. But if a girl ain't putting in investment whether by sex, cleaning or making your life easier, then be weary of the attention you give her because she WILL use you. Your attention is worth something. Know your worth.

3 and 4 are easily solved by making sure you aren't letting your girl get too comfortable and continuing to be the man other men want to be and women want to fuck. Thing is, most dudes are willing to settle and stop playing the field. It's a lot of work dealing with women and at some point the work is not worth the payout. You find a ride or die girl and keep frame and a dude will chill.

Last thing I wanna say is about manipulation. Manipulation isn't bad or good. It just is. Manipulation happens all the time. It's not about manipulating someone into sex or whatever. It's about knowing how women react to men and what, from a lizard brain stand point, turns them on. It is Manipulation but beneficial, for both men and women. Just realize when you are manipulating for nefarious reasons or she is doing it for nefarious reasons. Other than that, using the mechanics of the game isn't against the rules, its just mastery.

Men and women are better together. Learning how to have a proper relationship and knowing how to get through different stages of relationships in a healthy and natural way is what I view the redpills true form to be.

spliferoooo · 2021-06-07T00:27:59+00:00

I agree was thinking about this a lot lately too

YesImeanitx1000 · 2021-06-07T01:23:31+00:00

"There are plenty of potential partners for both genders that would be honest, loyal, caring, fair, etc."

Haven't had a laugh like this in a long while.

sabanMiles11 · 2021-06-06T23:30:20+00:00

You literally contradicted your thesis in points 3 and 4. Point 3: “men will divorce wives when they become rich and marry a hot 20 year old” point 4: “women only care about looks” - both cannot simultaneously be true. In reality, women care about aggregate social capital. That can show up in wealth or looks, and in many other forums (poor musician, fat comedian, night club promoter, athlete, etc) but the abstract concept is neither point you suggested and it is actually aggregate social capital

Addressing the hypocrisy and double standards in "TRP" philosophy

2. "You shouldn't give women attention if they aren't giving you sex". Well you obviously shouldn't worship anyone who doesn't reciprocate your feelings. But, you can't act like women should be your personal human fleshlight and then get mad when women want you to be their own personal ATM.

3. "Any women will leave you when a better guy comes along". Yeah, and most men will do the same when a better looking girl comes along. That's why millionaires/billionaires get divorces and marry some 20-something chick every 15 years.

4. "Women mostly only care about money". True. And men mostly only care about looks. And grass is green.

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Title	Addressing the hypocrisy and double standards in "TRP" philosophy
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