Casual observer, with a two part question here! How do other users here at TRP view transgendered individuals, and how could/do/don't TRP strategies apply to their relationships? (More details inside)

iamme2 · 2013-05-12T08:32:41+00:00

People who are anomalies, the extreme minority or anything else outside the norm most likely will not or can follow the standard model of anything except obviously exhibiting run of the mill human nature that is always relatable.

The models they should use for interacting with people and other questions concerning lifestyle are for them to decide and discover. It would be ignorant and quite condescending of me to claim to know what's best for them.

I only see as far as the horizon. If you're on the other side of the ocean, metaphorically speaking, in foreign land then how can you expect me or anyone else to form opinions?

Also I will treat all human beings as individuals if you're wondering how tolerant I am. There will be no special treatment but also nothing degrading/insulting without warrant coming from me. I am neutral on these individuals as far as stereotyping goes as I don't seek them out or am surrounded by them. There's no reason to have an opinion.

It's quite a loaded question to ask.

Lupo3825 · 2013-05-12T12:30:31+00:00

To be honest, I don't see them needing much work. They have made a conscience effort to become what they want, and are actively seeking it. They know there will be some flack for the choices they've made, and say fuck it, it's what i want, either take me like I am or fuck off. TG people, Redpill as fuck.

roe_ · 2013-05-12T13:10:33+00:00

Here is the wikipedia entry on gender differences.

So, early in development, brains are bathed in testosterone or estrogen, then these levels decrease during childhood, and spike again during adolescence. It is suggested that this has to do with how the amygdala and limbic systems grow into a male or female brain. The idea here is male gay or transgendered brains were given estrogen instead of testosterone and grew with the smaller amygdala and large ventromedial prefrontal cortex (undoubtedly, this is highly oversimplified).

So, yes, there's a case to be made that gay and transgendered men tend to relate to the world in a feminine way (in terms of emphasizing empathy and de-emphasizing competition) and the above may be why. Note that this is not a shortcoming - it evolved because it was optimal.

To your last question: to be perfectly blunt, transgendered people make me uncomfortable in an "uncanny valley" kind of way - my brain reads trans-ism as a "category violation." This is just my personal feeling, which I can't change - I fully recognize LGBT rights & marriage equality and would never consciously or purposefully make someone feel bad about their orientation. That is, the feeling is my problem, not theirs - but no, I wouldn't date one.

There are a minority of men who find trans men ("chicks with dicks") a serious turn on. The book "A Billion Wicked Thoughts" talks about this a little in terms of tranny porn (and is a really interesting read otherwise).

be_tru · 2013-05-12T10:34:05+00:00

Only transgender individual I have met (that I'm aware of) was a Cambodian prostitute that stole my phone off the beach. Really, they are a mysterious thing I really know nothing about.

atlascrowed · 2013-05-12T14:30:40+00:00

I have a buddy who was born female and transitioned in college. He's a cool dude, definitely an example of a male-style brain in a female-style body, so I would assume it works the other way around, too.

I'd say the existence of transpeople, ironically, undermines everything feminists are trying to say, btw. It's a great thing to throw back into the face of an Equality At Every Cost type feminist. You say, "So men and women are inherently equal? There's not a single biological reason for them to think and act differently?" They say no of course not. You say, "So transpeople don't really need to transition, right? I mean, you being stuck in a male body or me being stuck in a female body... it wouldn't matter, because our brains are all the same, right?"

And watch that hamster churn...

soapjackal · 2013-05-12T07:51:34+00:00

I don't know, and it's none of my business.

EDIT: I wouldn't date a transgendered woman because I don't have sex with men

luxury_banana · 2013-05-12T14:49:45+00:00

Your question is outside of the scope of this sub, but if you've ever heard of the David Reimer case it's one of the earlier, stronger cases against the "everything is a social construct and there's no difference" way of thinking as even social engineering on a boy who had his dick cut off by a botched circumcision and was raised as a girl from birth was not enough to mold him into it

These days, research in things like neuroscience is comfirming that the blank slate was just a bunch of garbage largely made up as a post-facto rationalization to support the kinds of social engineering we've seen for the last half century which as you may have noticed curiously needs things like affirmative action, quotas, and all sorts of other special treatment to the give an illusion of working and at large cost not only monetarily but in terms of human costs.

I think trans people are largely just aberrations. As are the very rare women who have male-like thought process or the other way around, probably caused by hormonal factors during gestation. It's possible there's a larger number of these people these days due to the large amounts of chemicals that are used in common products that we're around and possibly have affected us in ways that are not healthy for our bodies.

As for how it differs in relationship dynamics, again outside the scope of this sub. This is a sub for men to talk about sexual strategy in heterosexual relationships.

I would not be interested in being with a transgendered woman who was into men. I think most of them know that most heterosexual men wouldn't, which is why there's such a huge dramafest every time the subject gets brought up about whether they should tell or not, as I guess in the extremely rare case of one who had skilled surgeons do work on them they could completely fool you.

chikinpickle · 2013-05-13T03:48:21+00:00

I think its kind of wierd. By that I mean wierd as in I just don't understand.

I dont care though. Either way, I think what people do is their own business.

robot_army_mutiny · 2013-05-12T16:21:58+00:00

Whatever floats your boat, man.

The real heart of TRP is about being true to yourself, not just hating on women like this subreddit seems to think.

I doubt I would date a mtf person, because I don't think I could get over it in my head - I would constantly feel like I was having sex with a man. But that's just me - some men are more evolved than me.

The shortcomings you speak of are just bowing to society's bullshit expectations of men, so anyone is potentially a participant/victim/whatever. It's not really inherent to gender outside of the bullshit levied upon us because of our gender. TRP is feminism for men, if you consider actual feminism and not the whiny, entitled feminazi stuff that feminism has mutated into today.

TRP is basically a man learning that he is both deserving of and responsible for his own happiness. A man does not have to fulfill these retarded women-serving ideals that society expects (dedicating his life to a career in order to pay for a woman and her children to have new curtains every 6 months and a new iphone every year, while he emotionally castrates himself only to play scapegoat to the world for everyone else's problems).

So being transgendered really has little to do with it. Only a small fraction of TRP issues derive from physiological differences in gender. Most of it is just a reaction to how fucked up society is. Which is waaaay worse for a transgendered person than for a born male.

Like I said, this subreddit is mostly just guys hating on how stupid women act. But that's just frustration talking. TRP is about feeling good about being a man, being true to one's male instinct, desires, and goals, etc. Not just bashing on blue-pill guys for being weak. I personally don't care much about other guys being beta (or whatever you want to call the blue pill life). It makes it easier for me to be a standout as an alpha male, less competition. I do feel sorry for them. But I don't think that their bowing to womens' unrealistic demands makes society so unfair that I can't be everything that I want and "deserve" to be (no one really "deserves" some kind of freedom or station in life just by being born, in my opinion).

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