So I've had a few questions recently asking me to address picking up girls in high school or on campus, as well as others wondering why their daytime approaches are going so badly; I've noticed a recurring theme with these questions, a mindset their owners have yet to understand and internalise, so I will explain it in the post, as well as some other concepts and ideas that need to be discussed. Let's jump straight to it.

Day Game vs Night Game

The game of seduction takes place in two main arenas, and these arenas have different rules, challenges and gameplay that define them. The two I will discuss here are:

  • Day Game (picking up women on campus, at school, at cafes/bookshops etc)
  • Night Game (picking up women at clubs, bars and parties)

These two environments have to be maneuvered in different ways, you cannot port your playstyle from one side to another, it's a different game altogether. Of course, there are techniques you can employ that are universal to both, passing shit tests for example, but there are a lot of techniques you need to know about that will fail hard in one environment where they would have worked in the other.

Day Game and Night Game are played differently, there is no universal style. Those of you who are having trouble with their Day Game are doing so mostly because you are treating picking up the girl who sits next to you in class the same as picking up a girl at a nightclub. It's not the same.

What's different about them though? What defines one from the other?

The Watering Hole

When a girl agrees to go to a bar with her friends, she knows what she's signing up for. She says yes for a reason. She picks out her outfit a few days before. She washes her hair that morning. She puts on the black lingerie. She does, removes, then redoes her makeup.

This girl knows that when she goes to this club, she is doing so to get hit on. She is seeking attention from men. Maybe she wants to get laid, maybe she doesn't. (Some women really do feed off the attention solely, and will slut it up at a club and go home alone/back to her beta feeling fulfilled and content with the validation itself.)

This girl is fully anticipating male attention and getting hit on, she expects, even encourages flirting, aggressive sexuality and straight-forwardness from the men at these bars. That's what she's there for!

Men and women go to bars, clubs and parties for one reason only; to get fucked up and eventually get laid. We all know this but it's unspoken to help the women save face. Very, very few guys enjoy spending too much money on booze and awkwardly dancing with their friends every weekend. They only do so for the chance at ogling the girls who've dolled themselves up, and maybe, if they're lucky, getting to fuck one of them. If you ask any guy if he would go to a club willingly and dance, with no women involved, he'd look at you funny. The vast majority of guys would rather jack off and play videogames... it's cheaper after all.

Women are almost exactly the same; while yes, they enjoy dancing and getting dressed up more than we do, they still do these things primarily for the chance to meet attractive men and get fucked senseless. If you asked most women if they'd go to a club with no guys, most would look at you funny. Women go to bars and clubs to meet men; full stop. The classic "I just like dancing with my girlfriends and having a good time" is bullshit hamstering, don't swallow it. It's true they might not actually want sex, but they definitely still want the male attention.

At these places; bars, clubs, parties, there's a feeling hanging in the air; an aura of sexuality and mystery. These are the places where magic happens, this is where we meet new people, maybe that special someone. This is where we drink, guards are let down and strangers can talk frankly, this is where women who are too shy to do so will openly flirt in public. This is where you can hit on a girl and she will welcome the game, accepting your offer to play. This is where you can be forward and aggressive with your intentions, escalation and kino.

These are the environments where the act of seduction is accepted and encouraged.

These are the environments where you have no need to conceal your intentions, and no ability to. Everyone knows why you're there (they're there for the same reason). When you open a pretty girl out of the blue, she knows exactly what you're after, she sees it straight away, but she'll still play your game, because it's fun, and she wants to. She likes the game and she likes the attention.

The fundamental difference between talking to girls during Night Game and Day Game is Assumed Intentions

Daytime Bitch Shield

You open the pretty girl you've seen on campus a few times. You introduce yourself politely, tell her she's gorgeous and give her your number.

She looks at you like you have leprosy. One word answers. It's awkward. You never get a text. You notice her avoiding you the next few days... her friends stare at you.

Where did you go wrong? You did fine, you've pulled this exact same move on prettier girls at parties and it went fine... Didn't TRP tell us that you just need to be upfront and confident with girls?

Wrong. You fucked up.

You fucked up because you broke the rules.

These are the environments where the act of seduction is NOT accepted and frowned upon.

If you hit on girls, overtly, in the daytime, you will very, very quickly come across as desperate and a creep. EVEN if you are very attractive.

If you do not conceal your intentions when opening a girl, she will be shocked and weirded out. Women live their lives very strictly by social rules, they build a nice little structured bubble for themselves. It gives them comfort.

Strangers do not try and fuck each other, or even flirt, in daylight, that's obscene, unladylike.

When you waltz up all alpha dudebro and demand her number, touch her a bit too intimately, make fun off her too harshly, well, you smash her facade and leave her speechless, worried and confused. She doesn't really know how to deal with this situation, she malfunctions slightly. You can't just break the rules like that, she thinks, are you mentally damaged?

And you? How does she see you? She sees you as that creepy desperate pickup artist. She sees you as a guy who is only talking to her because she's pretty, she is insulted by this. She thinks you're gross and stupid for breaking the laws of social interaction. She sees you as entirely 2D, a caricature, no depth, no mystery. No way she can be attracted to you now, the first impression has been made. There's no way you can come back from this really.

(And before I get the spergy comments again, yes, this CAN work if you're 10/10 hot, famous, 6ft7 or any other ridiculous outlier. But I'm not writing for those kinds of men, why would they be on this subreddit? I'm writing for you ugly losers who're just now starting to figure out how to make your dicks work)

The best thing about all this, had you met this girl at a club and pulled the exact same moves, it would very likely would have worked. What's the difference here? Well it's not you, nor the girl. It's the environment. The setting and time of day deeply influences how she behaves; she's the same girl, just playing by different rules.

So how the fuck do you pull that cute girl in class, or that girl at your gym, or the barista at the coffee shop?

It's very simple, you need to conceal your intentions.

Plausibly Deniable

When opening a girl during the day, the most important aspect of the pickup process is to conceal your true intentions. You know that the only reason you're talking to her is because she has nice hair and a great ass. You DO NOT want her to know this. You must keep her guessing on the reason you're talking to her. You need to have a plausibly deniable excuse for talking to her. If she thinks you're trying to fuck her, you lose the game. Instead, you need to keep her hamstering, confused and charmed, and this will get her attracted to you.

This is what will be going through her head.

"Wow, this guy is confident and really upfront, is he just trying to fuck me? No way he's just friendly, he only started talking to me because of X anyway.... Nah bullshit he's just trying to pick me up... but I can't assume that, what if I'm wrong and he's like this with everyone? That's kinda hot if he is though...."

...and on and on ad infinitum until eventually the ice is broken, her panties are wet and she's hoping you're hitting on her but secretly scared you actually aren't.

This is the only real way to pick up girls during the day. You need to convince her that you're not only talking to her in order to get her naked, and that you're actually just a confident charismatic dude who has no problem talking to strangers. If you can project this frame into your interaction, you will uphold the rules of of the social game, keep her bubble intact, and make her comfortable. Women need some form of comfort to develop attraction, and knowing that you're not an autist but actually just DGAF will put her at ease. She will see you with much more depth, complexity and character than the previous 2D alpha pickup artist who was upfront with his intentions. You are keeping her guessing, and she loves the mystery, it's an aphrodisiac. She won't realise this was your plan all along, it "just happened".

To do this, you must have a REAL excuse to talk to her and open the interaction, after that, the conversation can flow naturally with your intentions still concealed. A REAL excuse means plausibly deniable. Plausibly deniable means that your excuse/opening is believable and if questioned, will hold up.

I'll give you some examples, ones that I have really used.

Girl is looking lost. "Hi, are you lost? Where you trying to get to?"

Girl is smoking a cigarette. "Hi, do you have a light?"

Girl is wearing t-shirt of a band I only kind of know "Hey that's a good band"

Girl is sitting next to me at a fast-food joint by herself "that's a lot of food for a girl your size... are you going to throw it up after?"

Girl's lace is untied "hey, your lace is untied" She ties her lace, says thanks "So do you want me to hold your hand too or are you a big girl now?"

Girl is studying one of the things I study at the library "Hey, you're doing X module too? I haven't seen you in lectures?"

The fast food joint girl was german and eventually joined by her friends who were ordering and came to sit with her. I was suddenly swamped by 4 more sneering german girls. I would have panicked at this, even a few months ago, trying to game a whole group of girls by myself would have been unthinkable. This time, I had them eating out of my hand (quite literally, but that's another story). They were a giggling mess by the end of the meal. Why? Because I made it very clear that I wasn't hitting on them at all during the interaction. Playful teasing but nothing overt. To them, I was just a charismatic guy who they bumped into at a burger joint. It "just happened".

The trick is to always have an excuse to talk to her that isn't "you're hot I wanna bang you". She will still secretly suspect, but will never be overt about it unless you give her a reason to, and until then, she will play along and allow herself to be charmed until it gets to the point where she doesn't care anymore and wants to be seduced by you. Well, "it just happened" you know?

When it gets to this point, when the iron is hot, well that's when you bounce.

Ending the Set

How you decide to finish the interaction will determine whether you get a callback or not. It's very, very important that you do this well, else the whole thing just crumbles. There are a few rules you need to follow.

1: DO NOT hang around too long. Refer to my previous posts "How to be a Social Butterfly". This is called Restricted Exposure. You must cut the time short you hang out with people and never spend too much time with them, else they will get bored, think you have nothing else going on in your life, and assume you're a loser.

Instead, saying something like "Hey I have to be somewhere but it was nice meeting you" is the perfect way to end the conversation. Your time is valuable, you lent her some of it, now, you deprive her of it. She will want more of your time, having had a taste and liking it. The hottest thing a woman can hear you say is "I'm busy".

2: DO NOT ask for her number. Now, there's a generational gap here and it might be a point of contention. This will be different for younger guys than older guys, and I'm mainly writing for the kids on the board who are still having to deal with 18-25 year old women who are basically overgrown 16 year olds.

When you ask a girl for her number, nowadays at least, it's very clearly for one thing and one thing only. Girls don't talk to their friends or peers through texting anymore, at least the hot ones I know. It's all Snapchat, Facebook Messenger and Whatsapp... maybe iMessage too.

If you ask for her number, you break the plausible deniability. You're letting her know that your real intentions are "getting to know her better" and "chatting one on one with her" and even "meeting her again".

Wrong. Don't do this.

Instead, make her feel like you don't really care about her and you're only connecting with her to be polite. Make it seem like she's cutting into your life, and that you're actually just being friendly and you do this with everyone.

If you're still a teenager, ask for her Snapchat, she'll be happy to give it to you. Otherwise, "uuh I have to go but, add me on facebook?" is enough. Make it seem like you're just being polite and this is normal for you, you're not trying to fuck her after all right? Throw in a joke ("I'll send you some sick lace tying tutorials") and then send her a request in front of her, or have her add you. Then leave.

Don't ask for the number. It's TOO personal. You want an impersonal gesture of connection, because it keeps her second guessing.

(As a side note: if you are running this game on a girl you see around campus or school or somewhere you have the chance to bump into each other regularly, don't even bother adding her or asking for her number. It shows great DGAF and abundance. Next time you see her, greet her as if you're already good friends. She'll be incredibly receptive, and happy to see you again if it hasn't been too long. Remember Restricted Exposure... absence makes the heart grow fonder.)

3: Wait, then message her out of the blue I won't go too deep into text game cos you all know how it should work by now. Wait a few days as if you forgot about her (but not too long or she will actually forget about you). Open up with something that connects you to her ("so did you learn how to tie your shoes yet?) and then invite her to a place where you can Night Game her.... if she says yes, she is pretty much telling you to fuck her. After that it's all textbook.

Final Note on Campus game

I consider myself very qualified on talking about college game, considering I'm still at University and smash more plates than a Greek wedding. The girls are young, beautiful, ditzy and wild; the perfect combination.

Campus game is pretty much all day game though, and you should use all the techniques above in order to get laid. But really, you shouldn't need to cold approach girls on campus.

The best, and easiest way to get laid at University, is through a Social Circle.

Social Circle game is the most important way to get high-value women to trust you and hang around with you.

Just make friends at Uni, make friends with EVERYONE. It's really not that hard. Everyone is waiting for everyone else to be the first to introduce themselves. Just be that person, it's not difficult.

For the first few weeks, don't focus on getting laid, focus instead on forming strong friendships with a few smart and important people, and then develop a huge number of acquaintances. Make friends with the Chads, and definitely the ugly but loud Beckies and Stacies. They have hot friends.

I literally cannot walk for 5 mins through campus anymore without having to greet or stop and chat with someone I know. Most of them I don't know TOO well, but keeping the connection is super important regardless, and something as simple as seeing an acquaintance chatting to a hot girl can be a perfectly plausible deniable excuse to slide myself into the conversation and meet her. This is called Linking and is once again in my "Social Butterfly" post.

When meeting girls, don't ask for their numbers or anything straight away. Just meet them. You'll bump into them again later. After a short break, they will be kinder and more receptive towards you. You are no longer a stranger. This is the "second date".

As you build a group of friends and you hang out with girls non-sexually, you will see a strange mechanism appear again and again.

Over time, the more a girl is exposed to you, the more attracted to you she becomes.

If you hang out with a group of friends, over time, the girls in that group will start to trend towards you, assuming you're displaying your pack leader alpha qualities, messing with them like children and passing shit tests.

Once a girl is comfortable around you and you're vouched for by all the Chads and Stacies, it's inevitable she will develop a crush on you. Masculine men are so hard to come by nowadays that if you manage to build yourself into one, almost every woman you meet will get a schoolgirl crush on you, no matter how fleeting. It's your job to capitalise on this.

Lessons Learned

To sum this all up though, the best thing I can say is that for Day Game, it's super important that you dial it back, make her comfortable and don't be too overt with your pickup. Make her question your intentions, keep her hamster spinning and become a mystery to her.

  • Day Game and Night Game have different rules
  • During Night Game your intentions are assumed and welcomed, overt sexuality is allowed
  • You must be more covert during Day Game
  • Conceal your intentions when talking to women you're picking up
  • Have a plausibly deniable excuse for interacting with her
  • Don't ask for her number at the end, it breaks the facade
  • Campus game is all about Social Circle