Define frame

vacuu · 2014-05-31T08:15:23+00:00

"Frame" is short for "Reference frame". A reference frame is a stable and reliable point of reference from which to observe or experience the world.

Something that is secure and unchanging, even as the environment around it is uncertain and in continuous flux.

Fundamentally, what gives a person frame is not an interpersonal skill-set such as appearing calm, which is just a natural consequence of frame. What allows someone to maintain frame in an uncertain world is by aquiring power over one's environment, and using that to conciously choose what will and will not happen in your sphere of influence. It's about knowing your limits, strengths, and weaknesses, then focusing on what you can control and not worrying about what you can't control.

As you can see, you will naturally appear calm and confident all the time because you have no reason to feel any other way. You will feel indifferent to the random things that happen because it won't change the outcome. You are in control because you've planned ahead and have the skills necessary to accomplish your objectives. Everything else is of no consequence.

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g8m3 · 2014-05-30T21:02:40+00:00

I think you're both talking about specific examples of frames, good ones, but that's not how I'd define the term.

Frame can be good or bad, its your state of mind and the way it effects your attitude and reactions. If your frame is desperate and needy, her frame of calm indifference will overpower yours, if your frame is confident calm dominance, it will overpower hers. The more powerful frame dictates the undertone of the interaction.

Once frame control is second nature, picking up women becomes a simple matter of identifying and intelligently navigating respective frames and forcing them to operate within yours without overdoing it. Her frame is submissive and shy, yours becomes calm and quiet confidence, anything more overpowers the interaction and scares her away. Her frame is overconfident and bitchy, yours becomes unflappably dominant and indifferent, anything less and she forces you to live in her frame.

At least, thats the way I always understood it.

[deleted] · 2014-05-31T08:56:24+00:00

Wow... Forget all these wishy-washy ambiguous definitions of frame.

Frame is really the context under which a social interaction is taking place.

If a woman says "I'm not going to sleep with you tonight," as you drive her home, she is trying to advance her frame, a context where she is able to revoke sexual access in order to gain power over you. If you reject her frame, that she has power over you, by saying something like "Wow, we've only just met and you've already got sex on your mind?" or something to that effect, you prevent her from establishing a context where you are sexually needy.

You have maintained your frame, a social context that is favorable to you.

The fact that everyone is so confused about what frame really is on a site like TRP is really disheartening.

no_face · 2014-05-31T15:13:33+00:00

Primer on Frame: http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/655713

I'll add a primer on state soon

projectself · 2014-05-30T23:40:52+00:00

frame.. defined is that self amused, self focused, self conscious attitude that says that no matter what anyone else thinks, I am ok with the world as it is. It says I can handle what life throws at me.

Your description describes stoicism, which is good. but not exactly the same. frame is the awareness that no matter what happens, another women is around the corner, another job is around the corner, you do not have to put up with any shit because it's all horseshit and you will handle it. frame is the innate delivery of being in control of yourself, your emotions, your needs and your weaknesses's.

FemtoG · 2014-05-31T00:36:35+00:00

Sticking to your beliefs, like others said.

That's all it is. Acting and speaking in a way that is in line with your core beliefs.

Losing frame is when you (make an effort to) bend to other people's beliefs.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-05-31T02:45:48+00:00

Your Frame is YOUR frame. Nobody else can or should define it for you. I think it needs to be more specific than "calm indifference." I wrote out my frame in 380 words, about 3/4 page double spaced, describing my roles in life (father, writer, teacher, researcher etc). For Example:

(On fatherhood) "I am the 'nice' coach, permissive but fiercely committed to my children's success and happiness in life and willing to do battle for that goal, even with them."

I defined specific behaviors and personality types in the first sentence..."I am confident, cocky arrogant, happy-go-lucky, cheerful, excitable, passionate, intelligent, sexually charged, extremely well educated, masculine, and a decisive Alpha male bonded with formidable Alpha female...."

I also made the Dread a big part of my frame.

dave_is_not_here · 2014-05-31T04:53:41+00:00

simply turn off your emotions

As a stoic this is....also important to me. Any insights on successfully doing this you can share OP?

rape_is_bad_mkay · 2014-05-31T11:56:44+00:00

I've always interpreted frame as focus, not indifference.

Focus on what matters to you can be interpreted as indifference by others, but it only means indifference to unimportant things.

Losing focus is the same as losing frame, meaning something or someone has been able to distract you. This means something or someone was able to influence you, and make it/themselves more important to you. You can see this as a small power game.

Think of children screaming to get what they want. It's a way of trying you to get your focus on them, instead of what you were doing. If you fall for this attentionseeking/manipulation that means you lost frame, you lost your primary focus and gave it to someone/something else (so they can use it for themselves).

Focus is important to get the job done. Being able to remain focused is simply a sign of strength.

Blood_Vaults · 2014-05-31T14:45:28+00:00

Frame control is like in Casino Royale, where the villains have James Bond tied to that chair lacking a cushion so they can go to town on their testicles, and James Bond asks the main villain if he can tickle his other ball.

[deleted] · 2014-05-31T20:19:56+00:00

Frame is your perception of reality, yourself, and how you believe you interact with that reality. For example, my frame when I go out is that I'm an outgoing, friendly guy, people want me to say Hi to them, and I am only here to amuse myself. The club will put an expectation on you to not be social, to get into your head - girls will look bitchy and uninterested, especially the hot ones. You will be tempted to adopt the frame of "well, most girls are getting harassed so much, I better only go talk to the ones who actually give me an IOI. In this venue I'm just another guy." And this is what holding frame is; despite whatever information my eyes and ears may take in, I still believe in my head that in this venue everyone wants to talk to me, I don't have to try to entertain people, and so on.

sheds82 · 2014-05-30T23:56:26+00:00

I think you need to be true to yourself to maintain frame; I don't think you can keep up a fake state. So to me, frame is being unbreakable and stable in your believes in spite of circumstances.

www777com · 2014-05-31T16:36:04+00:00

To me, frame is a subset of something else. That something else is to be "real". If I asked you, what does it mean to be real? It would actually be a trick question. Chances are, you would answer that question from your perspective. The problem with your perspective is there are to many things in life, especially social expectations of you, that muddy what being real really means. Your relationships can disorient you on what it means to be real. Now if you were to imagine another person, some made up person, some person you don't know, and answer from his perspective, you would give me a better answer. If this imaginary person enjoys going to the gym, as imagined by you, you'd say as a real person, he would go to the gym however often he feels he needs to...no matter what anyone says. You'd also tell me he shouldn't go to the gym so often that it affects other aspects of his life.

Now what should you do if your girlfriend gives you crap about you going to the gym? Well think of that imaginary person. In your imagination, this imaginary person only goes to the gym 1 hour 3 times a week (which happens to be the same amount of time you put in at the gym). This amount of time shouldn't affect imaginary person's time with having a relationship. This is why you think from the imaginary person's perspective because if you think from your perspective, you'd automatically say this amount of time will affect your relationship as voiced by your girlfriend. But if you think from imaginary person's perspective you cannot see any reason why this would affect his imaginary relationship. Thus the answer to handling this situation with your girlfriend is to do what imaginary person would do, still go to the gym despite girlfriend getting upset! This is what I call being real.

121895 · 2014-05-30T23:07:06+00:00

frame = inflection. it's that simple.

Title	Define frame
Author	smokingmonkey420
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Date	May 30, 2014 7:57 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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