Don't be a vegan.

Espressosaur · 2019-03-24T07:32:13+00:00

I’m a vegan, and I don’t see anything wrong with that. I get all my vital nutrients, amino acids, vitamins, etc. I’m at a healthy weight and I feel fantastic. I live the lifestyle I do because I have great empathy for animals, and never want to contribute to the suffering of another life if I don’t have to. That said, I’m very far-right, and I am not a vegan that feels the need to constantly push everyone around them to be. I respect people whether they eat vegan, vegetarian, or omnivorous. It’s a personal choice.

Also, I feel like the depression aspect could be because a lot of vegans and vegetarians sink into a bit of depression because in their eyes, it’s like everyone around them is getting abortions on the daily (I am not one of these overly-sensitive types). It could also just be because they don’t eat correctly at all, I see a lot of vegans ignore complete proteins.

SereneL2 · 2019-03-24T09:56:36+00:00

Let me give you some feedback as I was a 26 years blue pill meat eater and now a 5 years red pill vegan.

I was a meat eater for 26 years of my life and during those times I was full force blue pilled. Nearly obese, virgin, orbiter and generally disgusting. Zero self esteem, at one point I didn't brush my teeth and thought there's no point to take care of myself because I'm a disgusting human anyway, so whats the point?

After a girl crushed my blue pilled self particularly hard I started getting first into RSD, but then switched to more red pill concepts rather than pickup perse. Started to open my eyes to truths about myself and about the world that I was willfully ignoring. Started taking action where I was passive before.

Me going vegan was part of the things that defined my red pill transition. It helped me get lean, but I didn't do it for that, I did it for the animals. I stopped delaying watching the documentaries I knew would shake me to the core and I did watch them. Then as I was lifting, eating right and getting leaner, I completely transitioned to a vegan lifestyle.

Outside of avoiding animal exploitation I don't see how my lifestyle is any less red pill than a meat eaters. What just because I don't eat meat, I suddenly can't spin plates?

And yeah vegans feel bad sometimes, but that's very similar to red pilled people who feel bad about the truths they learned about women. You had one imagination of what women are, but the reality was completely different and maybe you don't like that. Well before I was vegan I was willfully choosing to ignore and not think about what's on my plate and how it came there. Now that I know and understand, I can't just turn that knowledge off, okay? You live with that burden for the rest of your life. Now I'm not saying that all people should follow my path, you live the way you want to live. My path is to face the world with open eyes to both all the good and all the evil in it.

A lot of people conflate vegans with SJWs. We really dislike SJWs and hardcore liberals because their values on paper align with ours, yet as we're well aware they are hypocrites and apply those values to whatever suits them.

One last thing - if you felt compelled to open a topic like this, to me it means you're insecure about something and you should look into that. You shouldn't need to put down other people so you can feel good about yourself and this is exactly what you're doing now.

btrpb · 2019-03-24T08:05:22+00:00

I'm a meat eater but if people wanna go vegan and are getting their nutrients then good for them. Not my place to tell others how to eat. Tim Scheiff, winner of Ninja Warrior UK is a prominent vegan and fit as fuck so it shows it can be done healthily. If you're a vegan but haven't done your research and aren't getting your nutrients then you're probably an idiot, but that's down to an individual.

sanos7 · 2019-03-24T09:01:52+00:00

Was a vegan 6 months, in which I deteriorated to a stick for a body, could only work half days because of plumeted energy levels, and got depressed and solitary.

Our digestive systems and everything about our biology points to us being natural carnivores. We NEED meat.

Since eating meat again I gained 10 pounds, got buffed and toned, got energy out the ass and an content and in a good place again.

All the climate and ethical reasons are all PROPOGANDA. There are big corporations who make a lot of money of the vegan boom. It’s cheap to produce and they can ask high prices because of hype and because people think it’s “healthy”.

CallMeQuinnie · 2019-03-24T09:51:02+00:00

This extremely misleading. There is a strong will, discipline, and determination (which are important principles any man should follow) that are developed through living such a lifestlye. There are in fact numerous benefits to eating a vegan diet over a non-vegan diet including a lower risk of developing cancer. As for all of these depression claims that all simply boils down to correlation doesn't equal causation. Also when you are aware that there is a system of widespread animal genocide and torture all for human greed it tends to put a dim outlook on things. And if you haven't guessed by now I am a vegan myself and have never been healthier, leaner, or more muscular in my entire life. Look up vegan athletes just to prove some of the improvements a lifestyle change could have. It also prevents less suffering within a world already drowning in it. Also being a passionate savage really gets the womens interest piqued.

Rakgnar · 2019-03-24T08:31:18+00:00

Yeah, I am sure that depression and anxiety are the only things that define is some diet healthy or not. Fucking cherry picking. What about showing studies that have given opposite results:

A 2012 study published in the journal Appetite examined the mental health of 486 vegans, vegetarians, semi-vegetarian, and non-vegetarians. These researchers found no meaningful differences in depression scores between the groups. [1]
Researchers from Benedictine University reported that, among 620 subjects recruited from diet-related social networks, there were no differences in depression scores among vegans, vegetarians, and omnivores. The meat-eaters did, however, have higher anxiety and stress scores than the vegetarians and vegans. [1]
In a 2010 study published in Nutrition Journal, Arizona State University investigators found that Seventh Day Adventists who were vegetarians had lower depression, anxiety, and stress scores than meat-eating Adventists. [1]

And those are just correlations anyway and don't prove a causal relation.

"What is going on? I can think of a couple of possibilities. First, it could be the case that vegetarian diets actually produce biological changes in brain chemistry, or even the microbiome, that causes some people to be depressed. I am a bit skeptical of this explanation, but the German study mentioned above found that 34 percent of people with depression started on a vegetarian diet before the onset of their mental disorders, compared to 9 percent of people with anxiety disorders.

I think it is more likely that some traits may predispose some people to both depression and to vegetarianism. Women, for example, are twice as likely as men to suffer from depression, and there are also more female vegetarians than male vegetarians. And, while the evidence is mixed, some personality types may also be particularly drawn to vegetarianism. In addition, vegetarian diets can be isolating. A woman who recently became a vegan told me that she suddenly gets fewer dinner invitations from old friends: They don’t know how to cook for her. And one young woman told me, “I won’t go out with anyone who is not a vegetarian. It limits my pool of possible men.” Further, social reasons rank high when former vegetarians and vegans are asked why they returned to meat. (See Why Do Most Vegetarians Go Back To Eating Meat?)

Finally, as several animal activists pointed out to me after this post was initially written, the vegetarian-depression link could be the result of moral commitment. As Lori Marino, executive director of the Kimmela Center for Animal Advocacy wrote on Facebook, vegetarians and vegans are more aware of the cruelties of the world and this is more depressing than living in a state of ignorant bliss. Lori is right. Indeed, the emotional and psychological costs of devoting your life to animal protection was a major theme in one of my first studies of human-animal relationships.

In short, we don’t know why the rates of depression seem substantially higher among vegetarians than in omnivores. But we do know that “correlation does not imply causality” and “more research is needed.” [1]

I really hate when someone is giving nutrition "recommendation" ideology first and obviously from a biased and purpose-driven perspective.

[1] https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/201812/strange-relationship-between-vegetarianism-and-depression

Boob_Queen · 2019-03-24T07:56:26+00:00

Great video. I used to be vegan for about a year but just couldn't give up the chicago style deep dish pizza I grew up around the corner from. I still eat vegan sometimes, but I tend to agree with the guy in the video.

Like the other commentor wrote, it is important to focus on getting all your proteins and nutrients if you're vegan, otherwise things can go bad fast.

entrep4 · 2019-03-24T10:49:37+00:00

Veganism is a misplaced sense of empathy.

Having empathy for the stuff you've evolved to eat is not a good thing.

Empathy is healthy for human relationships. We have empathy to help us interact with other people, not to make us feel bad for eating animals.

Lordadidas · 2019-03-24T10:48:52+00:00

You honestly have no better way to spend your time than to tell people how to fucking eat? Top lel my meaty m8.

DarkOmne · 2019-03-24T11:11:31+00:00

Anyone advocating a vegan diet wants you to be weak, fat, sick and stupid.

MoDuReddit · 2019-03-24T12:13:24+00:00

Veganism is practically an eating disorder masked as a social movement.

Kinda. It's health craze combined with a religion.

It is not healthy for your body or your mind.

True, it's hard to keep a balanced diet when you're not eating 90% of what your body is used to.

Period. We are meant to eat meat.

False. You can eat a diet of 100% fish or insects, and never have a health problem. Don't project your own culinarie culture onto every other human.

ratpoison987 · 2019-03-24T12:47:51+00:00

Cure for your vegetarian/vegan based diet depression:

1972 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible.

Your studies are beat. I’m fine. Vegetarian. Happier than I’ve ever been. And ride in a drop top. Daily.

Red meat will kill you.

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Goomich · 2019-03-24T08:00:58+00:00

eople who had given up at least three of four animal-related food groups (red meat, poultry, fish, and dairy) were at nearly two-and-a-half times greater risk to suffer from depression. (Matta et al., 2018)

Well, fuck. I hate fish and am lactose intollerant.

BRB ordering big steak.

oetzelflash · 2019-03-24T13:05:01+00:00

Following a vegetarian diet for nearly 3 years now. I don't accuse anyone who eats meat and i don't even care about other people's eatung habits, even though my choice was made out of ethical reasons. For those who think i am skinny: no I'm not. I'm hitting the gym 3-4 times a week and i look more muscular than many of my meat eating friends (i eat a lot of milk products). I'm kind of an evidence that you don't necessarily NEED meat - instead you need Nutrients, which can also be obtained by eating eggs, milk products and various kinds of vegetables. Imagine a cow: a cow also needs it's nutrients but a cow only eats plants..enough evidence for me to not stick to meat (besides i wouldn't be used to the taste anymore, means that i couldn't just start eating meat again bc it would disgust me probably) My conclusion: stay alpha and don't care about when vegans/veggies/meat eaters tell shit about ur lifestyle. Just do how u please.

EvelynnSpoiler · 2019-03-24T14:00:06+00:00

Vegans rely mostly on carbs and fats. Carbs aren't necessary and do more harm in larger quantities than meat. If you're going to go vegan for your health, then you should completely cut out most sugars and all gluten. Then you're left with.. well.. just leaves

yessir999 · 2019-03-24T14:13:50+00:00

Weird post. Switched to a vegan diet a few months ago and feel better actually. Solid energy levels, much better shits, lost some fat. People should eat whatever the fuck they want as long as they're getting enough nutrients.

FereallyRed · 2019-03-24T16:33:25+00:00

Eating meat coupled with the ability to cook it allowed us to increase our brain size significantly and allowed us to reduce our gut size and the necessity to constantly eat.

Basically, fire and meat made us humans.

Massive source of easily digestible macronutrients.

But, enjoy that kale salad. IDNGAF. More steak for me.

That said, I believe everyone should go hunt, kill, gut, skin, butcher, and eat their own kill. It's an education re. top of the food chain.

Harvesting the still warm liver, heart and kidneys of a deer you yourself have just shot, taking them back to camp and cooking them in a cast iron pan over a wood fired stove in the middle of nowhere with other guys you share your kill with is an invaluable experience. Hanging, skinning, aging, butchering, and packing that meat out on your back is likewise an educational experience.

Appreciate the fact we have meat prepackaged and available. But realize where those little styrofoam trays get their contents. Be ok with that. Don't waste, don't take for granted, but use what is available.

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