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Ex-husbands saddled with lifetime alimony based on pre-recession salaries are headed to jail more frequently.

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September 6, 2013
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Title Ex-husbands saddled with lifetime alimony based on pre-recession salaries are headed to jail more frequently.
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Upvotes 47
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Date September 6, 2013 12:12 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]Paranoidexboyfriend 27 points28 points29 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article says that the laws are being changed to help alleviate some of this unfair pressure on husbands, but lets be honest. These laws are only being changed because they're actually being used against some women now.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't get married.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you think about it, marriage is taking a 50/50 gamble that you and your partner will love each other forever, and if you lose, you have to give her half your shit.

The expected value of marriage for men is in negative numbers. For women, it's incredibly high.

Don't get raped by the system. Do as the man says and don't get married.

[–]pjcelis 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Half your shit is getting off very light.

It's more likely like this:

  • Your house or half your assets, whatever is higher
  • Depending on jurisdiction you end up paying both sides' lawyer fees
  • Alimony payment on top, probably at least for same duration as marriage and potentially for a lifetime

Moreover, alimony / child support demotivates you and make cash flow management harder when you are starting a new business or changing lines of work.

Basically, the day you marry in the west you abandon your career goals and donate your balls to the altar of The Pussy.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dont forget that if you dont make enough money (no reason except being dead is good enough) to continue to pay alimony / child support you get thrown in jail for breaking the law too.

[–]nojustice1 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

“For every horror story that you can come up with about a support obligor, I can come up with 10 for an obligee who can’t make ends meet because her post-divorce standard of living has so drastically dropped.”

Notice the feminist didn't say that the women she was referring to couldn't afford to pay their bills. We shouldn't forget most divorces are initiated by women.

Her post-divorce standard of living has so drastically dropped. - Once you get married she'll be entitled to a standard of living.

Also, right after obligee she said her so we would know what gender the law is for. Typical feminist, it's not about equality or fairness.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men are responsible for maintaining a standard of living for a woman, even after she has left him? Sounds like slavery to me

[–]LuciusExitius 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this is really backwards, they both worked, they both should have to stand on their own. Once your divorced almost everything defaults to the woman. When I was young my mom was a drug addict and when my parents split she got custody even though my dad had a job and a house and my mom lived off of the government...

[–]nojustice1 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how they cry and push for reform when the shoe is on the other foot. The system has always been "fair" to men. You have got to love how they want to change the rules now that they are going to college at higher rates and getting better jobs.

“There are no words to describe the despair that I feel,” Whiting said. “I’m tired. It’s infuriating. Permanent alimony is an outdated concept. It’s based on a salary that I don’t have any hope of ever earning again.” - Alisa Whiting

[–]RedeemingVices 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Getting married apparently ruins a woman's ability to take care of herself. And yet they want to be treated as equals. If some bitch pulled this on me (won't happen), I'd leave the country.

[–]nojustice1 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Schochet's job leaves him with about $100 a month in disposable cash after garnisheeing and taxes. “It’s amazing how small you can live,” said Schochet, whose longest jail stay was 11 days. “I’m down to paying for electricity, water, my cell phone, Internet and gas. Friends help out with whatever else I need.” Schochet has to live with a roommate and get economic assistance from his friends to survive. I'd rather go to jail and do nothing all day or flee the country. Fuck a $100 a salary month. What's the poor guy supposed to do when he reaches retirement.

The judge, Firko, is a huge bitch. "All that may be in jeopardy after he faced Firko again yesterday to explain why he was rejected for a court-required $500,000 life insurance policy naming his ex-wife and children as beneficiaries." “I have been more than patient with you,” the judge told Schochet. The judge ordered him to surrender to authorities and the head of the work/release program gave him until 6 p.m. yesterday to report to jail, where he will spend his evenings and leave during the day for the next two weeks

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Shit like this is when my dual citizenship comes in handy. Russia may not be the best place in the world, but fuck staying around for this sort of crap.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Always a good reason to establish a dual citizenship.

Make sure when you consider things like this you check both countries laws and policies regarding dual citizenship. As well as their laws in other aspects like marriage, divorce, extradition, etc...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Extradition? Nah. Its actually been a big deal lately because Snowden is hiding out in Russia and Putin decided to flip Obama the bird and protect Snowden.

Divorce?

Divorce law is pretty straightforward in Russia. If both spouses want to get divorced and they don't have minor children, all they need to do is go to the state registry office, pay a fee of 400 rubles ($12) each and wait one month for the divorce to come through.

Property is divided in half unless they have agreed otherwise or one of them takes the other to court. There is no formal separation period, and spouses are not required to live separately before the divorce is final.

Alimony?

In general, Family Law in Russia does not provide for direct alimony payments to a second spouse (note this is separate to child support) irrespective of their education or work experience and the impact of the marriage dissolution on their maintaining a similar standard of living. There are exceptions in a divorce in Russia as a spouse is entitled to claim for support in the event they are: disabled (i.e. unable to work); pregnant; raising a child under the age of three; caring for a disabled child; set to reach pension age within five years (retirement is 55 for men, 60 for women); or if the marriage has lasted a long period of time.

Child support?

The basic premise during a divorce in Russia is that the parent living away from the child should pay child support. The Family Code requires that child support in a Russian divorce be 25% of net monthly income for one child, 33% of net monthly income for two children and 50% of net monthly income for three or more children.

MUCH better than Americas BS.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was more a general 'check wherever you are thinking getting citizenship from' than for Russia specifics but those are good things to know.

Aso Men retire at 55 and women at 60? Holy Crap. Someone said there was nowhere in the world where men retired earlier than women.

[–]SkyrimNewb 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

50% of NET montly income?? wtf...that's like 3/4 of income in child support, how is that any better?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you see the thread about the guy who gets so much taken off of him that he has barely $100 a month for everything? (Food, electricity, etc)

[–]jolly--roger 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

come on guys, you suffer from a short term memory loss?

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1l4xcu/jail_becomes_home_for_husband_stuck_with_lifetime/

though there's no link for some reason and i'd like to know why, because i've gone to bloomberg.com from somewhere...

[–]Veritisia -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Women make 70 cents for every dollar

So even if I found another job that could be used to support myself and the children I took from their father, I would still have to overcome the burden of being female and thus alimony is right

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Except women don't earn 70 cents to the dollar when they aren't fucking around at work or taking extra vacations or maternity leave or working the same risky jobs.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

70 cents on the dollar may actually be reasonable when you take into account the maternity leave they get usually is like a year or two. While she's off taking care of baby. A man is getting 2 more years of experience and getting paid for 2 more years of experience.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and that's just one factor. Even childless women take more time off

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