Hello Gentlemen
I've recently been reading up a lot on powertalk for 2 reasons. 1) At the end of my last LTR I realized I got totally blindsided by it. 2) I'm going to be entering a corporate environment for the first time in my career and it going to be important that I can not only understand, but speak it if I want to progress in my current career path for much longer.
Now there are a few posts around the manosphere and TRP about powertalk, but not many examples and breakdowns of it happening. Now women's powertalk, and top level corporate powertalk are completely different. This post will focus on women's powertalk as well as when it starts to become posturetalk (this is extremely important as this is the point where, as bill burr puts it, their “hail mary attempt to get you to insult them” fails and they begin to backpeddle.)
Since powertalk requires some background information I'll give you my scenario.
- Just getting out of an LTR that lasted almost a year, with a roommate(yup fucked that up, I know)
- 90% of our social circle are the same people close to 40% are people I met through her
- There was a point in time where she lied straight to my face, I later found out. She does not know I know this, and still thinks she got away with it.
So one of the recent outings before the break up was me teaching my ex how to wash and detail her car. Took her to the local wash spot, coached her how to wash her car correctly. Then at home we clay'd it, and waxed it. I made her do about 80% of the work while I coached her along and helped out on the stuff beginners usually miss or overlook. So the day of the break up we are at the wash place waiting in line for a drive through touchless wash. I have my seat fully reclined listening to music just chilling looking at her headliner. She brings up the fact that this cute blonde is washing her car incorrectly. After her nagging for me to look I finally do, we have a laugh about it and that's that. 2 minutes later we pull in, next in line for the wash and literally out of nowhere comes the “stop looking at the blonde, blah blah blah your a pig”. My response, “ what blonde, at your talking about the mustard stain on your headliner?”. “blah blah blah your an asshole we should end this”. I start the ghosting process in her car, not a peep just look her in the eye and laugh.
From this point on we will call her B, it's important to note that I have not responded to ANY of these messages or talked to her in anyway. She is literally 5 feet from my room, across the fucking hall if she wants to “talk.” the asterisks(*) denote the powertalk translations
We get home and I get the following message. 2 minutes after I close my door.
B: I think maybe you would be happier with someone else.
- You took my bait and now I want to cause drama in an effort to put another kink in your armor
12 minutes later
B: If you continue to ignore me and don't make any effort towards this relationship then I will consider it you breaking up with me
- This is just a phrase to give me plausible deny-ability for when I talk about this to my friends
- I can show this to our social circle and make you look like the bad guy
- I really want a way out of this relationship that makes me look like the victim so I have closure and everyone we know thinks your a complete asshole
- You will come crawling back to me
3 days of complete ghosting later I get the following.
B: Hi TunedToPerfection, I know how difficult it is for you to talk about your feelings, but I want you to know I am here if you would like to talk about what's going on between us. I love you and care about you and that will never change.
- This is the end of your normal routine where your mad at me, why have you not come back to me?
- Again, plausible deny-ability so it doesn't look like I really wanted this when I show my friends this text message and your response.
- It's been 3 days I know you want sex, come back and fuck me so we can have sex I know you want it.
- Why are you not acting like I want you to, bad beta in progress BAD!
It's important to understand this dynamic that happened next for the rest of the messages.
So a few days ago was my other roommates birthday(we'll call him P), P told each of us individually without let us both know as he knew my ex and I were basically at this point. P is actually fairly good with women except for the fact that hes at the point where everyone he has know for a long time is married or coupled up in LTR's. P is really trying to find a woman to settle with. Because of that, P becomes bitch bait the second one stays with him past a week or so. Also, P LOVES to party with a huge group, his sole source of validation is the amount (not quality but sheer amount) of people that attended his last planned event. P had planned something before his big birthday bash(he always does it, gives the people that were invited to the first event sort of a VIP status at the big event) and let us both know separately. I stayed late for work and missed the ride out there but it was still an option even without drinking so after work I shoot him a message if his plans changed or not(he likes to party around town and change venues a lot when he is out). I get ghosted, case and point, my ex is there and told him NOT to respond so I wouldn't show up. Now P can drink, I have never seen him “too fucked up to answer a phone” in the 2 years I have known him. As well that thing is attached to his hand when he is out(because people always hit him up for events when their plans don't work out) So I know he got the message and ignored it no question. I know she was the one to tell him to ignore it. Yesterday I walk in on everyone else in the house talking, the moment they notice me P start saying how he was so fucked up and “just got my message”. B looks down and is quiet the entire time. Our other roommate's boyfriend begins to pipe up about how he was on his phone for the night, how did he not get a message as people were joining them well past the time I sent my message. He gets death-stared into submission by the group and I leave without a word and a chuckle to continue on my way.
Yesterday during work I get text blasted by B
B: “...missing you...”
- respond to me
- your annoying me now by holding frame
- how dare you do this to me
2 hours later B: “Do you even know why your mad at me
- this is a trigger message. I would never explain things to her, I would just get up and leave or stop giving her attention. After a while she realized if she accused me of “being mad” I would at least respond with “I'm not mad just disappointed” so she was trying to get a response, ANY RESPONSE, out of me at this point so she can text bomb me more, or worse “we talk it out” AKA she denies everything into the ground until I get fed up and brush it off.
- Also you have no proof of anything as I checked with all our friends and they denied talking to you about me telling P to ghost you
- I want to talk, I can deny everything to your face and you believe me and I get you back.
- Hail mary has been tossed
B: “are you going to stay mad forever?”
- Trigger message
- hail mary still in the air it's a long one
3 hours later
B: TunedToPerfection, I don't understand what happened that would make you want to break up with me like this. Why are you so mad?
- I know you can't prove to me that I told P to ghost you
- Setting up victim defense when I show this message stream to friends when I finally get a response
- Trigger phrase again to get a response(the last one should have worked, why isn't this working!) *I want you to explain yourself so I can just deny everything, since you can't prove it to me
- looks like it might be an over throw!
30 minutes later
B: “Why are you doing this TunedToPerfection?, your hurting me
- trigger and blame shifting
- the receiver is diving for it will he make it
B: “Did I hurt you? Why is this happening?”
- Trigger message
- She is removing herself from the problem making it easier to look like the victim when she shows all these messages of “her trying to connect with me” to her friends
- Massive Blame shift to the point that I am now such a bad guy I decide to “just do this to be a dick”
- oh the pass is dropped, but wait there is a flag on the play!
15 minutes later
B: “ Babe stop being mad. Come talk to me, lets work this out, put it behind us. Let me Kiss your face and love you”
- I think I have this checkmated, you can't prove shit admit defeat and come crawling back so I look like the victim when I show my friends what YOU did
- I want you to fuck me, I miss it and I know you want it too
- I'm going to deny everything, you know that and can't prove otherwise this is stupid.
- I think you can't be without me so stop being dumb and just submit to me already your making me mad with this bullshit.
- Why isn't everything going according to my plan, you should have came crawling back by now!
- Passing interference is called but the defense coach is calling for a review
3 hours later
B: “I'm sorry I hurt you (BORED FACE EMOJI)
- is this what you want me to say so you'll come back, fine here I'll say it and just not show my friends this text stream
- I'm going to get you back for this when you come back to me.
- You better get ready for shit test storm I'm planning when you come crawling back. The first one you fail * I'm going to have a girls night out and show EVERYONE your an asshole
- Maybe he knows what I did?
- AND THE CALL IS OVER TURNED HAIL MARY FAILED THATS THE END OF THE GAME FOLKS!
Now this a HUGE turning point as everything up to this point has been powertalk slowly transferring to posturetalk. With this last message she lost her only edge. I literally was laughing for like 20 minutes when I read that shit and I know she heard me cause she stomped out her room and downstairs to talk shit to with my other female roommate about “guys in general” after that one! At this point is where bill burr states “take a knee, run out the clock, you won the argument. Just lean on the ropes, it's over you won!”
Later in the night, P comes up in the most beta way possible and tries to say sorry for ghosting me and lets me know our friend (R) is having people over and if I would like to show up after I'm done with my shit for the day I'm more then welcome. I kinda blow him off with short responses and leave the area as I really have no intention of hanging around these people for much longer. Personal reasons beyond just the scope of this post, but his decision to ghost me for a girl he doesn't even like(B use to constantly hit on him without remorse to his denial of her) just to not possibly rock the boat with 2 or 3 other girls in the social circle(who honestly don't even give a fuck about B either) was the final nail.
This morning I get the following:
B: We're gonna be at R's house later today and tonight, BBQ beer and friends. Hope you join us.
- Come back to me, I was wrong this is an olive branch
- please come back, I'm sorry but I still won't admit anything on text so I can show this to people and make you look like an asshole.
- I know your going to not be able to make it until a lot later so I'm going to do damage control before hand
- I'm setting up a new trap if you come and I'm going to make you think on your feet which I hope to get your drunk and high so I can fix all this when your too fucked up to defend yourself or care
2 hours later
B: On second though TunedToPerfection, I'm not sure I will be happy to see you if you go to R's Tonight. The way you are treating me is not acceptable. Your actions are very hurtful. And I think we just need space. I'm not telling you not to come, I'm just saying that it's going to make me very uncomfortable to see you.
- My damage control didn't work and no one actually believes me so if you show up you can fuck up my game.
- Reinforcing victim mentality for the hamster
- blame shift
- plausible deny-ability and shaming if you do come over
- If you don't show I get to say I told you what to do, if you do show up I can go full on victim mode and make you look like the asshole. I want you to be there for closure and so I can show everyone this text stream to make you look like your an asshole.
At the end there she kinda got me. Still the correct action is do my own thing and not show up. She took her own car, which is WAY out of character, so if I did show up she would just leave and victim status is achieved because “I caused her to leave”. If I don't she is going to text bomb me for the next 5 days because “I did something she said”, the silver lining of this option is I've left her just enough rope to hang herself with.
B.... I've won, your emotional tactics have failed. The sad part is you've opened up the sealed door to who I use to be in high school during my party days. The knowledge and power I sealed away because it was “evil” and “disrespectful to women”. I do not hate you for this, I thank you for waking me up. Your the one that gave that final kick to get the pill down my throat. I'm lucky enough to have memories and skills to be awaken again.
The last bit is somewhat of a realization I had talking to one of the few guys I still talk to that knew me back when I was raving/partying. We share a hobby together(race cars) and we were grabbing a beer after coming back from a race. We both talk pretty redpill but he has noticed my slip to the blue pill fairy tale. Today though, I was like I was when he met me. Had like 3 girls hit on us(thanks 6 months of lifting), 1 in front of her boyfriend at the tasting room we were at. Got all 3 numbers and even a kiss from the first one. My bro straight up said “Seriously, where have you been man?!, that's the TunedToPerfection I met in high school, the TunedToPerfection I know.” I told him about the above situation. He laughed for like 5 minutes then looked me in the eyes and said. “Welcome back, I missed you”
Lessons learned:
Women use powertalk ALL THE TIME, you need to read between the lines especially if your in a LTR and you have fucked up a few times(Like I did!). Women do it to give themselves plausible deny-ability and access to victim status within a social grouping. Culture is becoming acutely aware of this fact, more rapidly everyday, if you read between the lines and don't give in there is a high chance it will no longer work.
If it does work, the sheer act of not responding to ANYTHING gives you plausible deny-ability. I can EASILY say if confronted by anyone I care to discuss this with that I “lost my phone for a week”, “didn't get the messages until 5 minutes ago”, “didn't pay my bill” etc. it works BOTH WAYS when you play this powertalk game. You need to learn, not only, how to identify when this is happening to you, but how to use it to your advantage. Everyone reading this has been in an alpha mindset at least for 5 minutes in your life. Focus on that and harness it to improve. Remember choosing to “not play the game” is just giving up with a nice bow of political correctness around it for yourself. Fuck that shit! Act, receive input, analyze(AFTER THE FACT), and internalize. Repeat process till it becomes natural. LEARN HOW TO POWERTALK or be stuck below the true top 5%
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