TheRedArchive

~ archived since 2018 ~

  • Subreddits

      Popular

    • /r/askTRP
    • /r/TheRedPill
    • /r/MarriedRedPill
    • /r/MensRights
    • /r/MGTOW
    • /r/PurplePillDebate
    • /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen
    • /r/seduction
    • /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
    • Other

      • /r/AllPillDebate
      • /r/AlreadyRed
      • /r/altTRP
      • /r/AntiFeminists
      • /r/askFDS
      • /r/askMRP
      • /r/askRPC
      • /r/becomeaman
      • /r/BlackPillScience
      • /r/Chadfish
      • /r/Divorce_Men
      • /r/EverydayMisandry
      • /r/ExRedPill
      • /r/FemaleDatingStrategy
      • /r/FeminismStopsWhen
      • /r/GEOTRP
      • /r/MalePsychology
      • /r/Male_Studies
      • /r/MenSupportMen
      • /r/MGTOW2
      • /r/MuslimRedPill
      • /r/newTRP
      • /r/PussyPass
      • /r/PussyPassDenied
      • /r/RedPillBooks
      • /r/RedPillParenting
      • /r/RedPillWives
      • /r/RedPillWomen
      • /r/RedPillWorkplace
      • /r/RPChristians
      • /r/ThankTRP
      • /r/TheRedPillStories
      • /r/trpGAME
      • /r/TRPOffTopic
      • /r/TrueBlackPillMGTOW
      • /r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre
  • Blogs

      Popular

    • A Voice for Men
    • Dalrock
    • Good Looking Loser
    • Heartiste
    • Married Man Sex Life
    • Return of Kings
    • The Power Moves
    • The Rational Male
    • The Spearhead
    • Other

      • Alpha Game
      • Archwinger
      • Artful Prudence
      • Black Label Logic
      • Caleb Jones
      • Captain Capitalism
      • Corporate Machiavelli
      • Days of Game
      • Deep Strength
      • Dicipres
      • Donal Graeme
      • Female Misogynist
      • Free Northerner
      • Gaming My Wife
      • Hawaiian Libertarian
      • Illimitable Men
      • In Mala Fide
      • Justice for Men and Boys
      • Kill Your Inner Loser
      • KillToParty
      • Krauser PUA
      • LaidNYC
      • Mensactivism
      • NO MA'AM
      • Omega Virgin Revolt
      • Pook's Mill
      • Random Xpat Rantings
      • Red Pill Theory
      • Red Pill Wifery
      • RedPillDad
      • RedPillDoctor
      • Rian Stone
      • RooshV
      • Seasons of Tumult and Discord
      • Sigma Frame
      • The Feminine Woman
      • The Futurist
      • The Masculine Principle
      • The Modern Man
      • The New Modern Man
      • The Obsidian Files
      • The Private Man
      • The Red Pill Room
      • The Red Quest
      • The Rules Revisited
      • Troy Francis
      • Wintery Knight
      • Woujo
      • Young Man Red Pill
  • Books
  • Dictionary
  • @TRParchive
  • Support

Friendzone, explained from a female perspective, on Quora

[deleted]

September 7, 2014
67 upvotes
/r/TheRedPill
Archived from /r/TheRedPill

r/TheRedPill is a subreddit for discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

TheRedArchive is an archive of Red Pill subreddits and blogs. This page is our copy of the original post.

/r/TheRedPill archive

Download the post

Want to save the post for offline use on your device? Choose one of the download options below:

PDF TXT EPUB
Support the archive

Everything here was supposed to disappear. Banned subreddits, deleted communities, cancelled blogs — much of what is archived here survives nowhere else.

It stays free — no paywall, no account — for the next man who comes looking, the way it was free for you.

I pay for the servers, the storage and the bandwidth myself. If you want this record still standing in ten years, become one of the people who keeps it online.

Support the archive

Share
Share Tweet Reddit Email
Post Information
Title Friendzone, explained from a female perspective, on Quora
Author

[deleted]

Upvotes 67
Comments 54
Date September 7, 2014 2:16 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2foqv7/friendzone_explained_from_a_female_perspective_on/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/TheRedPill/friendzone-explained-from-a-female-perspective-on.228302
https://theredarchive.com/post/228302
Red Pill terms in post
friend zonethe red pill

Comments

[–]Saturnalia9362 points63 points64 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The "1.) Heartache" section should in theory be enough to shut the mouth of anyone who spouts bullshit about "men objectifying women". I've never read anyone so carelessly describe the process of turning someone into a commodity and not giving a fuck.

Don't be Fred, guys.

[–]TheSKSpecial13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"But men who complain about the friend-zone just want to use women for sex!"

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Flip the script... Women who complain about plate spinning just want men for their wallet.

[–]RedPillington13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

women objectify me all the time. they just don't know what objectification is because they learned about it from feminists.

[–]SgtBrutalisk2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was out with a friend (M, M) and we met with a couple (M+F), anyway, the girl tells me later over Facebook that she looked at my shoes non stop. I asked her, but do you remember anything I said, she goes, nope, I kept thinking about your shoes. Women are such shallow, judgmental fucks. And then she tells me that I should be less sincere as apparently women want to be cradled and sheltered from big bad words.

[–]RedPillington3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

true facts.

however, you should be less sincere. you just should do it for your agenda, not hers.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The only thing worse than being in the friend zone is getting married to a chick, the sex dries up and then she friendzones you post-marriage. The wife that will not fuck. Unlike a normal dude, walking away is twice the pain... and she gets to legally steal your shit.

[–]Silverbacked31 points32 points33 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fingers crossed for Fred finding TRP before it's too late.

[–]1raceAround12622 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn. That story was brutal. Especially the last line:

"He goes home and watches porn and imagines making a woman do whatever he tells her to do sexually and there's nothing she can do about it."

LOL. I bet Fred didn't even know such a thing would be possible. But the girl who wrote this knows.

AWALT!

[–]HAMMURABl15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

don't you sometimes feel glad you know TRP?

you can sit back and laugh at fred's stupidity, knowing that this won't ever occur to you (again).

[–]-Tyler_Durden- 11 points11 points11 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Here's the post in question if you don't want to click the link:


Have you ever fallen in love with your one best friend at any point in time? You must have fallen in love with your best friend once (not mandatory that all would have) and realized later that it won't work and left that love there and continued with your friendship.

I just want to know ""What character/personality in her/him or any incident made you to love her/him for an instant?"

Later both of you might have become lovers and then husband/wife :). That's a different Happy story. If you are willing to share that also, please go ahead! Comments3


Becky's AnswerView All 97 Answers Becky LeeBecky Lee, Second rate broad, bartender, ... (more) 16 upvotes by Chris Bish, Chrys Jordan, Jason Nordberg, (more) Actually, you CAN develop feelings of love for someone who was previously a close friend.

Let's just call this guy "Friendzone Fred"

However, these feelings are often tied into the following motivating factors, in a percentage of these situations.

1) HEARTACHE

Your self esteem has taken a major blow. You've been rejected, or cheated, or called names by someone you cared for...

You crave reassurance, comfort, and safety.

Friendzone Fred would appreciate you, because he knows you so well and still wants you... He thinks everything you do is awesome... He brings over stuff to cook dinner together and watch movies and play scrabble....

His heart beats fast when you sit next to him, and yet he never tries to get sexual because he respects your wishes...

You recognize the sexual tension, and harmlessly flirt with him because he loves feeding your ego and it's innocent fun.

2)LONELINESS

You haven't met anyone cool in a while... You are getting lonely... You start spending more time with Friendzone Fred because Friendzone Fred is always messaging you first, and coming round to ask you to go fun places or spend time together.

The time you spend with Fred is easy... Laid back.... You don't feel nervous around him and you don't care if he see you looking like complete and utter shit in your sweatpants because it's "just Fred"

You can be yourself around Friendzone Fred, and you never fight because you never cared. You never worry that he may not like you anymore... You don't worry if he doesn't text back immediately... You don't feel jealous if you talk about exes and crushes and sex with Freddy... Because he isn't your BF.

You start to think that dating is too much work... Heartache sucks and isn't worth the risk... And maybe you DO want a guy that you can be yourself around, like Friendzone Fred.

Maybe Fred has been the guy for you all along!!

3) Thirst for ROMANCE

Friendzone Fred has loved you from the sidelines, through countless shitty relationships.

Freddy is madly in love with you. All Freddy's friends and family know you, and know that you are his dream girl...

You get caught up in the Romantic situation of bestowing your love upon him, after all this time.... You have the power to completely make or break Fred.

You love the adorable story factor of "realizing I loved my best friend" And the romance in feeling that he is your true destiny--

After all, he KNEW you were meant for eachother and he loved you so much he WAITED for you to realize it...

You imagine chasing after his motorcycle in the rain.. "Come back! Freddy! It's you! It's always been you"(kiss-kiss-kiss)

4) YOU WANT TO BE A QUEEN

Friendzone Fred has wiped away your tears for years, and told you how you deserve the best out of life....

Freddy is so sweet and and such a nice guy.... You think, "I want to find a nice guy like Fred"

Fred would drop everything an be there for me, Fred pampers me, Fred opens the door for me and pays the tab because he is a gentleman, even though we are just friends....

My parents Love Fred! He fixed my grandmas garbage disposal before he took me to that out of town alcohol free wedding I asked him to go to since my boyfriend didn't feel like going...

He checked my tire pressure, changed my oil, and bought all the gas just to be nice!

Fred is Husband material!!

In fact, I'm kinda ready to settle down with a guy who will treat me the way I deserve! That guy should be Fred!

Sadly, in many many cases, the woman realizes shortly after entering into a relationship with Fred that she jumped too soon.

She tries to force feelings that she WISHES were there, because they just aren't.

She feels that she sacrificed love for comfort. She goes from a desperation to be LOVED to having a desperation to BE IN LOVE.

She can't help it that while she loves Freddy, it just isn't there.....

Often times it takes just a few short months or meeting a guy who takes her breath away, before she tells Fred she made a mistake.

But she knows Freindzone Fred will understand and forgive- he just wants her to be happy, and like he always says, the friendship means more to him than anything.

Friendzone Freddy takes the rejection like a gentleman.

He goes home and watches porn and imagines making a woman do whatever he tells her to do sexually and there's nothing she can do about it.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, didn't want to go through that drivel by myself.

Nice twist with the last line, by the way. That way, he's more or less explicitly cast as the bad guy who wanted to dominate and objectify her all along and is just a woman hater; and her shitty treatment of him is retroactively justified. Awesome!

[–]PersianDj17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Fred is a stupid motherfucker. If she will just string you along , detach yourself from her.Its that simple.

Guys put themselves in this situation, its not the girl's fault.

[–]sabresandiego10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, but remember that logic is thrown out the window when youre crazy in love like Fred. Its easy to look from outside and say this is how you should have done it, but when you are actually in the situation its completely different. Its like people watching a fight and saying that some guy should have done this and this instead of that, but they have no idea how different it would have been if they were in the ring themselves.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some guy recently linked a study: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100722142201.htm

"This brain imaging study of individuals who were still 'in love' with their rejecter supplies further evidence that the passion of 'romantic love' is a goal-oriented motivation state, rather than a specific emotion" the researchers concluded, noting that brain imaging showed some similarities between romantic rejection and cocaine craving.

"The findings are consistent with the hypothesis that romantic love is a specific form of addiction."

The study also helps to explain "why feelings and behaviors related to romantic rejection are difficult to control" and "why extreme behaviors associated with romantic rejection such as stalking, homicide, suicide, and clinical depression occur in cultures all over the world", the researchers wrote.

i.e. dangling the mere perspective of some romantic relationship in front of a person's nose is like giving a junkie the promise of a shot. It's basically someone actively trying to prevent someone from recovering.

[–]hakett2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, but most of us have to learn that the hard way. Few guys have redpill role models, and we're constantly fed feminist myths like "just be yourself" and "be a nice guy."

[–]trudatness 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They absolutely know.

All this static on reddit about how the FZ doesn't real is total manipulative lying female bullshit.

[–]ShinyBrah 8 points8 points8 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I was like Fred once upon a time. It got to the point where one of our friends straight up told me I was her bitch. I know not to repeat this mistake again though, NEVER "friend" your way into a relationship/sex.

Luckily it makes sense now thanks to you all.

[–]weirdnamedindian3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

We must have the same friend! Treasure this mate for life!

[–]ShinyBrah1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's funny really, it was meant in a playful way but opened my eyes so much.

[–]jakethesnake7616 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So how long before Friendzone Fred is a regular in the Dead Bedroom forum?? After the Alphas are through with her what scraps does Leftovers Fred get??

[–]SariaLystra 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This post is amazing. It literally admits that women are actually stupid selfish hypocrites. And I say that literally and not as a diatribe.

The woman is "stupid" because her actions are characterized by a lack of thinking. She relies entirely on feelings and not her brain.

"She can't help it that while she loves Freddy, it just isn't there....." (she acts on feelings even though every thing she wants is right in front of her) "She tries to force feelings that she WISHES were there, because they just aren't." (again feelings dictate her action)

The woman is "selfish" because she only is concerned about herself and thinks of Fred as a prop.

"Fred would drop everything an be there for me, Fred pampers me, Fred opens the door for me and pays the tab because he is a gentleman, even though we are just friends...."

"In fact, I'm kinda ready to settle down with a guy who will treat me the way I deserve! That guy should be Fred! "(She recognizes that Fred should be the man but instead ignores him)

The woman is a hypocrite in that the woman says one thing but does another.

Remember your AF/BB and you'll be golden.

[–]sabresandiego20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I dont agree with this assessment. Switch this around to some fat unattractive girl who is your friend, but is perfect for you in every way. After years, you give her a chance, but after several months you realize that you are just NOT attracted to her sexually at all. So you let her know and start chasing new tail. You see, hating women is pointless: we are all HUMAN and humans will do whats best for them. Love is a selfish endeavor, thats reality. I think its actually more selfish to put yourself into a false relationship. Attraction isnt a choice

[–]BadJokeHour 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the guy you're responding to is still in the anger phase. not to diminish what he's saying in some condescending tone but i'm sure that eventually he'll come around to these facts about women and not resent them for it. i'm still working on it myself so it's not like i got it all figured out, but yeah you get my point

[–]SgtDowns1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yea this also applies to women as well from men. It sucks but friendzone is not a male specific problem at all. It happens to men more due to sexual strategy but it is by no means a male only porblem. Not to mention in this case the female genuinely doesn't feel that way and gave it a shot. Completely different than dragging him along.

[–]LadyLumen2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

True that. I have a female friend who is friendzoned in the worst kind of way. Her longterm crush finally asked her out after he was dumped by the girl he actually loved. So my friend was basically just a rebound for this guy. They end up living together and he loses his job. She works extra hard to financially support him while he cheats on her. He ends up dumping her, saying shes more like a sister or friend, but she continues to be his roommate because she is helplessly in love with him. He gets a job and stuff, but she is still living with the man she loves, who dumped her and is fucking other chicks, while she stands by the sidelines hoping she can do and say the right thing to make him date her again.

[–]SgtDowns0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We are getting down voted by the ones stuck in friendzone. This subreddit is part truthseekers, part equal rights, part bitter virgins, part sexists...

[–]TheOpposingView7 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

...can we sidebar this?

I never even considered how a girl could perceive the friendzone as her exerting a positive feeling on the guy. That line "he loves to boost your ego"...

Holy shit. The way she talks about him...this is so much uglier and more objectifying than almost anything I have ever read a man say about a woman.

We may objectify women's bodies, but women objectify our souls.

[–]ShagggyDog2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It was good to hear the truth from the blue side. The sad truth is that I think reading it would actually make the poor Fred happy and hopeful with tears of joy in his beta eyes that he has a chance to be chosen someday! Even for a minute, before "the love of his life" gathers her confidence for her next alpha... I felt sad for all the poor Freds out there.

[–]Dimsml1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One thousand times this. Time and again, look at what she does, notr what she says.

[–]cagethepepper 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Damn, Fred's got some blue balls.

[–]Solonzzo1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mate, blue balls amongst mamals means dominance. Fred got no balls.

[–]trudatness 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She probably let Fred tap it a few times in the few months she rebounded with him.

[–]Amorevolous1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no better glass to help you choke down TRP than this fucking article. It's painful to read, but it really opens your eyes and makes you realize that you need to have some God damn self respect.

[–]riding_stoned0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn, that was a brutal read. I wanted to hate her for writing all that, but I kept telling myself "don't shoot the messenger": it's all true.

There's a line in WC's song, the streets, that goes "I don't conversate with chicks I aint gonna hit". Mike Tyson once expressed the same sentiment to a female reporter.

Although they're both expressing the concept crudely, there's truth in those statements.

I see men lavishing attention on women who give nothing in return and it seems pathetic and weak-headed to me. You're a man! Be strong, you call the shots!

I'm married now. The only women I give time and attention to are my wife, my mother, and my daughters. So satisfying.

The next woman I spend any time, attention, and women on will be my second wife.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Painful. Just painful.

"Often times it takes just a few short months or meeting a guy who takes her breath away, before she tells Fred she made a mistake."

[–]j-pHil0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So basically out if desperation.

[–]ferrum_cadmiae0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there a linking/archive service for Quora? Because, fuck Quora, that's why.

[–]Rogerdodger1985-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I got to the second point (to be honest that Shit was so bad I don't even remember what that particular point was) and I stopped reading this fucking drivel.

The bestoy your love on him bit...wow pure unadulterated arrogance. Fucking self centered egotistical princess arrogance.

This author needs to get checked (as in I hope life levels you down a few pegs because if you think so highly of yourself for no other reason then your main job is to write on the internet.) Fuck. You.

[–]sabresandiego11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

This woman actually did nothing wrong. Shes not attracted to Fred. Why is she self centered and egotistical? She has no duty to be attracted to Fred.

Women aren't the enemy here, and too many guys that are into red pill are woman haters. Red Pill is just reality, you cant blame women just like you cant blame man. Thats like blaming nature that a tiger has to take the life of another animal in order to survive. You can bitch all you want, but thats just the way nature made it. You either adapt or you die.

[–]WindowsDoctor7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

She did do wrong by stringing him along intentionally and "harmlessly flirting". Using his time and resources for a fool's chase is wrong.

[–]Ishamoridin3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Sexual strategy is amoral, she's keeping a dick in a jar for when she hits the wall and is willing to settle for BB.

[–]RedPillington7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

rape is sexual strategy. sexual strategy is only amoral in the sense that the rules are not bound by morals. someone abusing the people around them to benefit their sexual strategy is still an asshole.

[–]Ishamoridin-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rape isn't a sexual strategy, it's the psychopath's alternative to one. This girl is doing nothing to men that they're not allowing her to do, hell they're probably volunteering for it because they're so invested in the concept of earning her love.

She's potentially being dishonest, sure, but a lot of the techniques espoused here involve varying levels of duplicity too. It's on the men in her life to man up and stop taking her shit, she's entitled to exploit them until then as far as I'm concerned. Only way they'll learn.

[–]RedPillington0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rape isn't a sexual strategy

then what do you mean by sexual strategy is amoral? how is it not a sexual strategy if it's so successful among animals?

[–]Gyissan0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But it is not just her fault, it is also the guy's fault for being a dumb schmuck.

[–]Solonzzo-2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She did no wrong, Men are suposed to go after what they want. Fred wasn't being a man há was like a dopehead going after meth, crazy, out of touch with reality. He posed himself as a resource to her and asked nothing in return, He had no pride.

[–]Nidna3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or you just refuse to play the game.

[+][deleted] -20 points-19 points-18 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Proof that assholes may have fun with her now, but the nice guy wins her in the end.

[–]ShinyBrah 15 points15 points15 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

How is ending up with a girl that used you for emotional validation and favours most of the time once she's out of her prime, with no alpha options "winning"? No really, do explain.

It's a consolation prize. Many men fuck said girl throughout her youth while the "winner" is left for years, frustrated and confused. Assholes truly win, nice guys get the alpha's scraps.

[–]2RedPill4LYF5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's an insult to claim the nice guy wins in the end. He just doesn't. It's a shit life.

[–]TheSKSpecial2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like winning the lottery and the prize is cancer.

[–]2mbillion10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

really? come on... that is what you got from that?

[–]Solonzzo5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no winning for Nice guys, the game was nos designed for them to win.

Browse all authors
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2026. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter