Guys who have dated non-Americans or first/second generation Americans, have you noticed any significant differences between them and American girls [with deep roots]

Demonspawn · 2014-02-04T19:22:08+00:00

It's more variation of trends than an absolute difference. Women who are from non-feminized cultures (or who have parents who are) tend to be more feminine and less bitchy. But there are still bitch women in this category.

Also, it's not a magic pill. These women still have all the traits (hypergamy, solipsism, etc.) that feminized women have, it's just that women from non-feminized cultures generally have better control over these traits than their feminized counterparts which were never trained to keep them in check at all.

MasterGolbez · 2014-02-04T19:21:24+00:00

They have all the same traits, except they've been taught to control themselves instead of just going for triple digits before their looks fade and then find a guy dumb enough to stick around.

Aerobus · 2014-02-05T02:07:29+00:00

Disclaimer: I don't know from experience, but based on what I've read from other people's accounts, they are not going to be unicorns because they are subject to hamstering, hypergamy, and other typical female behavior; however, they are generally better partners because they are typically not sluts and are accepting of gender roles.

redpillbanana · 2014-02-05T03:16:05+00:00

Well, this hit me when I was reading the thread about "Reactions to age gaps": in foreign countries, relationships where there is a large age gap don't carry as much of a stigma as they do in the US.

It seems in the US that if you're more than a few years apart in age, it is "gross" and inappropriate. Even famous actors get chastised for being with women who are much younger.

In other countries, an age difference of 10 or even 20 years is still somewhat acceptable.

2014-02-05T04:57:45+00:00

Women are women. I agree first gen women TEND to be more driven, less entitled princess, etc. But they are just as capable of being gold diggers (lots of cultures straight up send their kids to the US with the instructions "find a rich man"). First gen kids can get brought up with the world of their home country and the worst of the western world, making them even worse. I dated this Chinese girl who had been raised on the stereotypical Chinese form of entitlement (there are way more guys than girls, but all of us girls want a guy in the top 1%). Throw in SF hipsterism, slut / yolo culture, etc, and this girl was a trainwreck.

Women are women.

dimmy666 · 2014-02-04T20:27:42+00:00

Brazil from my experience is very feminist polluted, but less so than the US. Also, I live in the southern region, which is more developed and has a stronger economy, so this might factor in. Hypergamy is all the rage and women constantly cheat on their husbands, but this may be an urban fenomenon, for I have met a few women from the countryside who were less slutty, more conservative, and less feminist.

Overall, Brazilian girls are rapidly becoming more and more Americanized.

Source: native brazilian, spent 12 years in the USA

SmellyJelly22 · 2014-02-05T00:08:13+00:00

I'm Middle Eastern and I sometimes date Middle Eastern girls. Here are the differences:

1) They are emotionally stronger and more confident. Sometimes you have to walk on eggshells around American girls because they have become trained to be extremely sensitive.

2) They become intensely attached very early. Because American women are constantly banging alphas and then getting ignored, they become trained to not offer any of their emotions when in a relationship for fear of getting hurt. Middle Eastern girls do not have this issue; they go all in so your emotional connection is much more intense. They are therefore more likely to become "crazy."

3) The shit tests are much, much, much more intense. If you think American girls are bad with the shit tests, Middle Eastern girls take it to another level. I guess its because American girls are used to dating guys that are beta, so their threshold of how "alpha" the guy has to be is much lower. Whereas Middle Eastern girls are still very much committed to the idea that the man has to be an alpha and will shit test the fuck out of you.

4) Middle Eastern girls are much more loyal and less bitchy and less in secure. This pay seem to contradict what I said in point #3, but it seems like if you pass their shit tests they fall right into line with no problems whatsoever. I think it boils down to the fact that Middle Eastern girls respect the masculine/feminine distinction than American girls do.

TRPsubmitter · 2014-02-05T02:22:49+00:00

Some of the most interesting (and sexual) women I've been with were an Egyptian, an islamic South African, Russian-Korean, and an Indian woman (in addition to all the Koreans I get living in Seoul)

I previously posted my own thread here on TRP on non-Western women vs American women and specifically the internal hamster turmoil that American women go through when they move overseas to Asia and are faced with feminine, smart women adhering to traditional gender roles.

A couple points:

You will see what real body/slut shaming is...and it's done to women BY other women. Namely, all the fatties who go overseas and can't find clothes to wear anymore because the women in their new country are actually NORMAL sized like they were 50 years ago. Of course, nothing is wrong with being size 14. It's the women who are size 2 or 4 who have the wrong body.
Blame is allocated to both the indigenous men as well as the women who accept them. By devaluing and discrediting Asian or Russian men in their respective countries, for example, hamsters attempt to demonstrate that they don't need them in the first place. Of course, that's just bullshit jealousy at it's most basic level.
Seeing 165 lb hamsters wearing no makeup, a granola long skirt, and flip flops and then getting rejected from the club brings out true character. You'll never see more self-righteous rage directed against another culture/person than when a Western woman is forced to be accountable for her appearance and qualifications and fails at doing so.

theinfamous1124 · 2014-02-04T19:15:15+00:00

One of my plates is a deeply rooted Thai chick with strong family values and a commendable work ethic. She also happens to be the one of the sweetest girls I've ever known and is generally all-around innocent. But I don't let all that blind me from the fact that she is most likely seeing me because I'm an attractive and confident white dude that is more alpha than the majority of guys she deals with on a daily basis. She loves showing me off to her other Thai girl friends.

The point I'm trying to make is yes--females from Eastern cultures are typically more pleasant to be with but their feminine nature/hypergamy still resides and it's important not to let your guard down against that.

blahm3 · 2014-02-05T00:16:05+00:00

Most girls I have dated have been non-US girls who came here recently. I do have to say that many of them are much better than american girls. More feminine and less entitled.

A lot of this is selection bias. Girls who work hard and sacrifice to come to the US tend to not be entitled bitches but girls working hard and striving for their goals.

strimpboi · 2014-02-05T02:12:42+00:00

It won't take long. Trust Eddie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5mIL3F5QDA

bleeeeeeeding7 · 2014-02-04T22:28:58+00:00

I dated a great girl from the middle east as well. Unfortunately, at their core all women are exactly the same. They will do whatever they can get away with - if the culture doesn't allow it they will not do it - if the culture does allow it they will do it. Women are very responsive to social pressure. If there is not social pressure, and you are not her rock, she will act like a regular American girl. If you bring her back to the middle-east she will change to conform to those standards.

Glenbert · 2014-02-05T03:35:45+00:00

The most feminine women I've ever dated were French and Spanish, from the second cities of their respective countries. Dated a couple of 1st gen Polish (polish american) and they were a little crazy. 1st gen Irish girls are totally crazy and to be avoided, some of their FOBs are OK. My ex was first gen Vietnamese and kept up appearances well... while being a wh*re.

My current GF is straight up Southern, 12th gen Scotch-Irish, German and 30 other European things. She's less than perfect, but hasn't pissed me off too much yet. #Merica!

I'm a bit fixated on your experience with the Chaldean girl. Very traditional, but I would immediately discount for an LTR (which is all they are up for). From what I've heard, you will NEVER be as good to them as Daddy and you will be reminded of it. They're also likely to have insane brothers.

thedarkerside · 2014-02-04T20:17:13+00:00

Dated a 9 or 10 who was born in India but raised in the US. She was one of the bitchiest women I've dated. But she was very well-off, bi-polar and went to college in the mid-late 90s*, so those 'helped'.

Even though she was gorgeous, great in bed and paid for everything, I dumped her three times. Everytime, she'd come begging and pleading.

*with all the predictable propaganda that entails, like being a fan of that feminist alterna-folk singer with an (?) Italian name.

dave_is_not_here · 2014-02-04T20:19:07+00:00

She is just incredibly sweet without all the self-entitlement and bitchiness that most American girls have as a result of decades of Grrl Power propaganda.

Yea, I observed a similar contrast to a lesser degree in a German born immigrant. She was significantly more feminine and hygienic than any American women I have ever known, and gorgeous on top of that. In fact, all but the most feminine American women are completely disgusting slobs in comparison to her. She also cleaned my house and did my laundry on a regular basis and had a consideration for others that American women lack entirely.

Essentially she was considerate, responsible, and not at all entitled; but she was still a slut with daddy issues, and had all of your typical female drives.

asd1100 · 2014-02-05T19:12:49+00:00

To all the non-american girls are not like that, just don't marry the bitch.

while in a feminist culture you see instantly who's the bitch and who is a decent girl, in traditional cultures they all use honey, and once you put a ring on you wake up with a completely different woman.

It's not a better game, it's just different.

fiat_lux_ · 2014-02-05T01:10:40+00:00

Biggest differences for me were that they were multilingual and had heavy accents. They also had better fashion. Californians like me have shit fashion sense.

GayLubeOil · 2014-02-05T04:26:41+00:00

Does she shave or does she have those hanging gardens of Babylon?

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