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[–]mademychoice 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I think the king/queen model describes it well. The king is alpha as fuck, it's his kingdom so he's in charge, he provides a safe environment for his queen and keeps her living comfortably, as long as she acts as a good queen should. If she doesn't, gone!
[–]smokingmonkey420 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So basically be a multimillionaire CEO with wholesome values? Because I can't see the average modern man who can provide that amount of security and excitement at the same time.
[–]mademychoice 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You don't have to be a multi millionaire ceo to rule your own household. Same goes for living a comfortable, enjoyable life
[–]VegasHostTre 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
To be Alpha fux AND Beta bux is impossible. Being a good provider doesn't give women any tingles and women eventually get bored of you faster.
[–]smokingmonkey420 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I disagree, obviously. Girls won't stick around for full on Alpha who doesn't provide. There's no security in that, which is a basic need. Women are irrational but they're not that bad.
[–]zxDanKwan 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It's not even dependent upon rationality (or lack thereof). It's instinctual - they all eventually seek out the BB for the long term provision.
AF/BB is a spectrum, and it's possible to be both, though anything approaching 50/50 is dangerous, for sure.
Given nature's preference for certain patterns, I'd bet that the Golden Ratio applies here, and it's probably something like 2/3rds Alpha and 1/3 BB (that would fit with the 1 time you respond with "I love you too" for every 2 times you just nod and say "I know.")
Seems the best way to achieve this balance is through actions. Right actions will help support right thought. For every BB thing you catch yourself doing, make sure you're doing 2 AF things to balance it out.
[–]smokingmonkey420 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
This is so clutch. It really is that simple. That should be the golden rule of approaching. Make sure it's alpha. Be intimidating, then fall back with reassurance. It's the essence of push/pull.
Seriously tho. When I size up a girl, the best way to generate attraction is to simply show who's stronger. If you can do this in a reassuring (beta) way then you're golden.
[–]fidelityastro 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Or just be yourself and find someone who loves you for it, I've found this to also be a great strategy!
I honestly believe that "just be yourself" is another way of saying "maintain frame." Women expect men to be Alpha which is why they say be yourself. Too many men take this the wrong way and think it's ok to be emotional since this is indeed a side of yourself.
[–]fidelityastro 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's ok to be emotional. It's a side of yourself!
[–]smokingmonkey420 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Emotional how? If your saying emotional "please take care of me" then No. I don't find that to be acceptable except on special occasions (someone died). If it's emotional "it's going to be ok" then I agree.
[–]zxDanKwan -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I endorse that strategy, as well.
However, if it worked for everyone that easily, there wouldn't be a need for the pill in the first place...
[–]trpalternate 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm married, and I have come to the conclusion that staying that way means I need to be able to switch between AF and BB depending on the situation. I read about the need for the alpha/beta mix from MMSL when I first took the pill (before the MMSL forums went to shit) and did a bit of casual experimentation to test things out.
For context, I had allowed myself to be beta-ized in my marriage because of some past trauma that my wife had suffered before we met. Whenever she would flip out or shit test me, I responded by treating her with kid gloves because I didn't want to make things worse for her. As you can probably guess, this approach made things worse.
After taking the pill and reading about LTR game, I relaized that I needed to change what I was doing. But I also wanted to know just how my being more alpha or more beta would affect things.
I already had full-on beta traits covered, so that was my baseline. Full on beta means shit tests, disrespect and constant passive-agressive sniping. So obvoiusly, this was the wrong approach. So, I dusted off my balls and started taking charge of things.
I figured I had a lot to fix, so I went to the alpha phase of things with gusto. I used a lot of techniques from here and some skills from my previous time in the military to take charge. I set boundaries, I shot down shit tests, and unapologetically called out her shitty behaviour I made it clear that I was done putting up with shit.
This approach worked beautifully and the years of shitty behaviour stopped almost immediately. What's more, she seemed to love it. It turns out that she is quite submissive, and my lack of leadership was making her feel out of place.
Here's the thing, though. After a while, she started becoming stand-offish and seemed anxious. My all alpha all the time routine had worked to fix things, but now I needed to back it off a little so that she could feel comfortable. So, after I was confident that our relationship was fixed, I slipped in a bit of beta game.
Right now, I'm putting in alpha traits at least 80% of the time, and throw in a bit of beta when the situation calls for it. It's fairly easy to tell now when to use which - her being upset or minor shit testing means alpha up, and if she seems a bit uneasy, throw in some beta. So far, about a year in, things have never been better.
I feel like my Alpha comes in two forms. I'm Alpha "dominant" and Alpha "don't give a fuck." I think it's important to demonstrate both of these qualities at appropriate times since you can't do both at once. It's an 80/20 split again, where most of the time I need to just not give a fuck.
Every once in a while you gotta be a nice guy but even this has to be reassuring. You can't spill all your problems without having an answer. That's what being a rock is about.
[–]tombreck2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
AF are men who have many options and choose who they want to be with
BB are men who don't have options and rely on a woman to choose them
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[–]cali_gunner 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're drawing a false dichotomy. Alphas can fuck and have bucks and be able to provide. It's doing it from weakness, like a beta, that they don't do. Also, alpha fux means that the alpha doesn't need to provide to fuck, but can, while the beta has to for any chance at nominal sex.
[–]Position5hero 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Woman is likely to cheat on BB for the AF, but not other way around.
She isn't likely to cheat but it isn't unheard of her to say 'lol sorry beta bux time' and just leave
Unless you have money in which case she has no reason at all to go to BB man
[–]Motherocean -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is the ultimate form of a TRP man. At this point you've swallowed and digested this pill so fully that you understand every aspect of the Alpha/Beta dichotomy. Not only do you understand it, but you are so hyper aware that you can apply the perfect mix of Beta/Alpha traits in every single relationship you encounter.
Most of the sub focuses on getting rid of beta tendencies. Additionally there is no a lot of writing pertaining to those who want pursue LTRs. In this respect I believe that TRP still has a lot of growth ahead of it.
Yeah. The closest we seem come is the 80/20 rule.
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