Initiating aggression is beta behavior

grubek · 2017-02-23T07:13:07+00:00

Sure, but there are situations when fighting is inevitable. If you are under the illusion that a high smv will keep you from any aggression you are up for a rough awakening.

In reality, any man should know how to fight and defend himself.

Mckallidon · 2017-02-23T06:32:30+00:00

Agreed. Powerful men get what they want mostly via charm, influence, negotiation etc. violence is how incompetent people try to control.

SkorchZang · 2017-02-23T13:41:58+00:00

What the fuck?

Check the holier-than-thou morals in at the door. Initiating Aggression and taking crazy daring unnecessary risks is the definition of the alpha animal, what makes him different from the more timid and risk-averse beta herd. The betas have a much safer life, compared to the alpha.

We can observe that there's no problem in the West of too many males being too aggressive, there's the opposite problem instead. Yet posts like this are created, in a desperate attempt to re-write the red pill to be more moral and seem acceptable to the "good guys". Missing the point dude, it was not supposed to be acceptable or wonderful.

Explained another way, the beta male herd always wants to feel like it's bad to be alpha, bad to be a predator - this is an expression of "slave morality" and it's so old, that Nietzsche's "Geneaology of Morals" already addressed it nearly 200 years ago. Now you've gone and restated that creed of cowardice, except using TRP alpha-beta language. It's pointless mental masturbation with a predictable outcome: we are the good ones. Fuck that.

And fuck no, aggressive male behaviour is not somehow inherently uncouth, and fuck no, it can't be shamed using TRP's own language.

At the end of the day, who even gives a shit whether "godfatherchimp" from TRP thinks what a man did was "very, very beta"? It's a useful distinction (between alpha and beta) to explain certain things, put them in stark contrast for newbies. But it's irrelevant in the real world. Alpha and beta are not moral categories. Alpha does not equal "good successful man". Alpha equals aggression, a born bully, a risk taker with balls of steel and no brakes, whose escapades will probably not end well. The only reason TRP cares about "the alpha" is because of women's built-in obsession with those antisocial characteristics. We dont' worship the alpha, they do - we just use their tendencies in order to get more pussy. It's done by putting on a grandstanding alpha-show when needed, and then rolling it back when no longer necessary or beneficial.

The ultimate proof of what I'm saying to you is just watch how women react to your sanitized, noble version of "alpha" vs the dirty and ugly shit that the red pill tried to explain to you. They will turn up their cute noses at all your noble alphas ("eewww, creepy"), to worship the big, brash, brainless bully or the cunning and extremely aggressive sociopath instead.

randomperson123321 · 2017-02-23T05:17:29+00:00

True. There is more too.

Submitting to aggression is also "beta". The way this submission happens can be obvious, though it is mostly subliminal. Depending on the context the same actions send different messages, like silence for example, it can be a "you win" message or a "you're not worthy of my attention" message.

max_peenor · 2017-02-23T06:03:36+00:00

I think you are confusing anger with aggression. Indeed, angry aggression is exactly as you say. Anger is the enemy here. However, ruthless pursuit of your aims is something different. This also applies to violent aggression. Women hate it when men to that stupid mindless posturing and fighting shit, like they are a contest for m'lades affection. However, they LOVE violence that is on their behalf, meaning it promotes their goals.

So, I don't necessarily have the gift of narrative that some of the big name posters here, but I do have a lifetime of experience I can share. So I do that. Take this or ignore this. I have been in a couple fights over women, when I was rather young, and none of them resulted in anything good with the woman in question. Mate guarding and mate acquisition just doesn't work.

However, there was this one time at a rather large party where this guy was being an utter dick to his girlfriend. Big guy and thought he was the bees knees because of it. I was manning the margarita blender and got to hear all this bullshit, even over the... well blender. It was just bringing the tone of the place down. It got to the point where other conversations were stopping because they had to listen to this. Eventually, I was done.

I turned towards him, being on the other end of a crowded kitchen and yelled, "just stop. No one wants to hear this. None of us. Stop." I have a pretty loud voice. He does the classic what are you going to do about it bullshit. He steps. And I set upon him like a grizzly woken from hibernation a month too soon. It took two off duty cops (friends) and a marine to get me off him. (Things were a lot different 30 years ago; men got to resolve their differences the old fashioned way without all the drama, as long as things were fair.).

He and I eventually buried the hatchet on the indecent, as all men should do. He moved on. I moved on. But before that I fucked his ex, her three friends from the party, the host of the party (who ended up being a short-term gf, that might of gone long term if it wasn't for her poor birth-control regimen adherence) and five of her college friends that were at the party, including the chick obsessed with peppermint schnapps but couldn't figure out why she drunk puked all the time. Three of them specific cited the incident as a something they liked.

TL;DR: anger bad--yoda is right. fighting for women--bad. fighting for common objectives--pussy wet.

AnjaJutta · 2017-02-23T16:15:42+00:00

There is always a duality in these interactions. You think he lost his cool too fast and is a beta, he thinks he gave you a shit test and you buckled.

[deleted] · 2017-02-23T09:46:09+00:00

I always try to defuse situations getting into fights is pointless because I don't know how to fight and I don't want to play into others hands so to say.

SunTzuArtofWar · 2017-02-24T03:05:08+00:00

What would Genghis Khan, or Atilla do if you were flirting with his girl? Or Scarface?

Recklessness, aggression, dominance are alpha traits

Many rapists are ultra alpha males, they don't give a fuck about anything and that includes the law. Genghis Khan is the most notorious rapist in history

This is the red pill, we are suppose to see men (alphas and betas) for what they ARE, not some idealized version, that's blue pill

With regards to killing, you think Caesar, Napoleon, Charlemagne, Leonidas, Atilla etc do "beta" things?

anotherblackhole · 2017-02-23T06:07:53+00:00

Wrong. Things like fighting over women are natural. Everyone knows you can try your hardest to pretend you don't need any particular woman and that by doing this they'll EVENTUALLY flock to you, but it never works this way.

I've been on a dry spell and do too much reading here (in a bad way) and the only thing that has helped me mack a chick and line up sex was taking the advice of: 1. Be irrationally self-confident and 2. Always choose to be bold over timid. From the 16 laws of poon (funny name). Read the sidebar

That beta at the bar doesn't see a superior who he knows he couldn't touch. He saw you submit to his aggression by trying to do nothing, and he took it as a win. He also got his girl back from you, who you must have only begun talking to by being at least a bit bold and taking your risk. Keep doing that.

Title	Initiating aggression is beta behavior
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Date	February 23, 2017 4:09 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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