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Men spam anonymous rape reporting because it attacks our privilege

destgalle

December 19, 2013
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Title Men spam anonymous rape reporting because it attacks our privilege
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destgalle

Upvotes 31
Comments 47
Date December 19, 2013 4:49 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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[–][deleted] 58 points59 points60 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it's because we believe we have a constitutional right to face our accuser.

[–]9000sins 25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rights=privilege.

[–]7Vega 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only if you're male.

If you're female then anything you want = rights

[+][deleted] 12 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Nemester 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rape is a criminal offense. If someone is going to accuse then it needs to be through the criminal justice system, not through non-judicial proceedings set up by a University. This process is definitely a maneuver to by pass men's constitutional rights.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why a woman who has been raped wouldn't call the police and report the crime.

Universities all have a conduct policy. A rape conviction would certainly violate conduct policy, but such a thing would hardly be necessary seeing that the convicted rapist would be in jail for a considerable sentence.

This begs the question why? Why create a college review process when a legal system and conduct policy is already in place? The only answer I can come up with is to eliminate due process of the accused.

Why would a woman decide to go to a college review board instead of the police?

Probably because the facts don't substantiate her claim, but she wants to press the accusation forward regardless, whether it be for guilt avoidance or malice.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You have heard of University Police, haven't you? And yes, any and all crimes reported to college officials become criminal investigations.

Or are you advocating an anonymous sex crime hotline where an anyone can submit anonymous accusations to college officials and such a thing can lead to a young man having his financial future eviscerated without any due process?

That would basically be a collegiate libel bureaucracy engine that chews up and spits out innocent students.

Don't for a fucking second think that it wouldn't also be a lawsuit generator against the college, when the families of the multitude of young men falsely accused sue for defamation of character, libel, breach of contract and false expulsion.

Not everyone is going to roll over and let feminists arbitrarily destroy the futures of their precious sons and grandsons.

Removing the rights of college boys is not the answer.

[–]throwwhatthere -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

The ideals behind the bill of rights are often transposed to govern interactions between private parties. Indeed, this is where they originated in large part (though not exclusively).

For instance, you will notice that while we have freedom of the expression FROM GOVERNMENT meddling (well, at least, we used to), most Americans feel that it is a generally good principle for behavior between private parties. This is why when someone like you says something really stupid, I don't get a gang of my buddies to intimidate you into shutting up, I just brush it off. We generally accept that no matter how stupid a person is, by and large he or she should be allowed to speak his/her mind.

tl;dr; You engage with the very literal facts of the statement (which may indeed have been sloppy), but completely ignore the larger point. Weak sauce.

edit:sp

[+]uatquestions -8 points-7 points-6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You literally have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Do you

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently it's you that is clueless about substance over form.

The entire rationale for creating a college review process instead of allowing the system of criminal justice to do it's job is to create rules contrary to the constitutional rights of the accused.

My original statement stands.

[–]3bady420[🍰] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You literally have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Do you

[–]7Vega 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Apparently these feminist hags consider due process rights "privileges."

[–]KJL13 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a privilege to us in the supposedly free world

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Looking back I realize that my sense that I’d failed was based on how my teacher treated me. She was the first adult who didn’t talk to me in a baby voice like I was the most specialest little girl in the whole world. She treated me like a small adult instead of kissing my ass. But it was terrifying because my ass had been kissed by everyone around me my whole life .....

So not only was that teacher the first adult to do that...apparently she was the last one as well.

[–]DeckofLuckyStrikes 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey now... The patriarchy failed to treat her as an adult...

But seriously, if a bunch of "redditors and 4channers" can fuck up the system, then it probably isn't a very safe or reliable system.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know, there's some talented fuckers in that broad description.

[–]JimmyTheIntern 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't make it beyond the title

Why trolls spammed a college’s rape-reporting system: Because some people can't stand to have their privilege challenged, even a little

Rape should be reported to THE POLICE. Not to a school. I know they are both government institutions, but seriously, separation of powers between branches or something. Read your constitution!

Ok, I'll give this the benefit of the doubt. scrolls down to the start of the article

I...

clicks away from what is clearly a solipsistic feminist's delusional rantings about how due process is toxic male privilege

I'm gonna downvote, too, for the direct link. Such garbage should not be inflicted on TRP without sufficient context.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't stomach the whole article. What a delusional little brat.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because some people can't stand to have their privilege challenged, even a little

That is the most hilarious part of the entire article. Proejct much, honey?

Also, that "one in five" figure is indefensible. But I suppose that if you teach sociology, it's fine to claim that 20% of college women will be the victim of a sexual assault. (Actual figure for Detroit: 36.8 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2009, a rate of 0.037 percent.)

[–]pcadrian24 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

The author must be a tenured professor of fairytale studies at University of Disneyland or some shit. Don't you find it interesting how there is no mention about false rape accusations? This is why the author believes the system was spammed:

Why? Because they’re mad that women are being listened to, that men’s voices are no longer given so much power that they can effectively drown out the voices of women. They’re mad because they’re not the only ones that matter anymore. Women around them – women they know, maybe, and women who are allowed to write stuff on the internet, and women on college campuses – well, they’ve stopped talking to men like they’re the most specialest people in the whole world. And it’s infuriating.

When did we as men ever receive this kind of treatment? I sure as hell don't remember being treated like the "most specialest," except maybe by my mom and grandparents when I was little. Am I the only one here that never experienced the "most specialest" treatment that the author believes to be so prevalent in males?

Fuck, I've been missing out on some good shit my whole life.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The large majority of men in college are about 20 years old. 20 years ago was the year 1994. By the time that 20 year old could even comprehend women's/men's rights was probably in middle/high school around the year 2003.

But this guy is saying that these men (who are presumably in college) who are spamming the report system had more power in the legal system than women 10 fucking years ago? Haha, this "tenured professor" probably needs to head back to the 4th grade and work her way back up the education system again.

[–]9000sins 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The author clearly lives in a parallel universe.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing to remember is that when feminists refer to males, they never mean the vast majority who are de facto beta and omega slaves. Instead, they refer to the 1-10% who they perceive to hold the lion's share of power and money. Every time they complain about men who use women, they are basically whining about the small niche of guys that all the girls fight over, or secretly fantasize about being with. Usually, they were repeatedly pumped and dumped, or never an object of desire to these guys. And of course, they can't be honest about their motivations, so they project all of this onto all men, even the invisible nice guy white knight manginas they trample over and creep-shame on a daily basis, who then arms race to become more beta-like in an effort to refute the negative statements about men.

[–]Nemester 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. It needs to be spammed. Wasting the resources of these witchhunt departments is one of the most valuable things men could do for justice. I am sure it is fun too.

[–]hermit087 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lets pretend for a moment that 100% the women who use this reporting system legitimately got raped. Rape is a serious crime with serious consequences, and should be dealt with by police. The kangaroo court can still get involved if they want to after a guilty verdict has been reached. Yes it would be nice if rape victims could remain anonymous, but if you want to put a man behind bars for 10 years its just going to be a necessary evil to have to file a real report.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I got contacted via reddit by some "journalist" who is making a story about the whole thing, I told him I wasn't involved with the spamming but now I kind of wish I had fucked with him.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you notice that she's a sociology professor? She's a professor... Think about that for a second and then read a few snippets of her writing:

  • "they've stopped talking to boys like they're the most specialist people in the world."
  • "...makes people lose their shit."
  • "So, go ahead little boys. Spam the anonymous reporting form if it makes you feel powerful."

Right or wrong, her writing is absolutely inappropriate for an intelligent debate of any sort.

And you know what's funny? I had a sociology professor who was a feminist and during some of her lectures she would literally scream about women's rights and the patriarchy. And generally, when anybody presented an alternative point of view, she would lose her shit and vilify them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a Futurama episode titled "Mars University" where humans have already terraformed the planet Mars and have subsequently founded a university there. This exchange occurs between the show's Fry and Professor Hubert Farnsworth.

Fry: Hey, Professor, what are you teaching this semester?

Prof. Farnsworth: Please, Fry, I can't teach. I'm a professor!

Says a lot really...

[–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just can't take it seriously when women talk about all the "privilege" males have. It's basically like saying that the world is flat, or that evolution is a myth (literally, in the case of the latter).

[–]Rasta_Platypus-13 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (19 children) | Copy Link

Does everyone here honestly believe that spamming a system for reporting sexual assault is a proper action to take? What happened to solving problems instead of misplacing them? Accepting responsibility and leadership instead of blaming women and complaining? If you're spamming this system, you're not making a stand. You're bitching like a pussy and acting like a misguided feminist. I don't care if this school's reporting system is ineffective or dangerous. I have good friends that were expelled from my university for false accusations they received through a similar system. I also know real victims who needed that system in place. There are good ideas here, but some of you need to get your heads out of your asses.

EDIT: I didn't expect any of this to be well-received, but I'm actually surprised to be labeled a troll and dismissed. I read this subreddit every day, and I enjoy most of it. Occasionally, I enjoy if enough to comment. Rarely, I'm disappointed in it enough to comment. If all this forum does is raise your blood pressure, consider taking a break.

[–]ekjohnson9 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It's a modern day Salem Witch Trial. Fuck the rules, they want to play dirty ya gotta be serious. As I posed in the /r/news article. Sue for defamation, sue for title IX violations (as most colleges have more women than men now) sue their asses off. Someone's gonna make $25 million from this shit one of these days, and a school will lose it's federal funding. Don't think this system isn't inherently racist either. That poor black kid on an athletic scholarship has 0 resources to fight back. It's an intellectual and moral cancer that needs to be cured.

[–]Rasta_Platypus-11 points 12 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but the abuse of a sexual assault report system does not solve your angry precognition. You're trying to view a handful of real issues as a collective and far too abstract crusade. I don't even understand what you're referencing. This bitter circlejerk is far outweighing the positive influence of this subreddit, and posts like this are ruining it's credibility. Which is why /r/askmen and /r/mensrights are where people go with questions.

[–]ekjohnson9 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You're going to use classic shaming language and expect me to take your seriously? Just because the present situation is an uncomfortable truth for you doesn't make it false.

[–]Rasta_Platypus-6 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

That depends what you mean by "shaming." Did you scroll through your glossary of terms and decide which one applies the most to me? Do I not get to be a "redpiller" because I "hamstered" a single post instead of encouraging it?

All you should hear me say is this: Sometimes inertia is a bad thing. We'd do well to pick out our own bad while broadcasting our good. Specifically, taking actions that will obscure real victims--even if they are potentially alongside false victims--is a bad thing.

[–]ekjohnson9 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And I will say this. The whole system is a crock of shit designed in a way to force all the blame on the accused and give them 0 recourse. Kangaroo courts have ALWAYS led to abuse and persecution. Always. Sexual assault should be handled by the courts and the police. If it's not worth a DA's time then how can the university punish a student in good faith? They can't. They're attempting to disenfranchise a portion of their student body because it's baked into the ideology of these institutions. If you don't agree then fuck off, there's no point in this conversation if you refuse to accept reality.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Concern troll gonna concern troll

[–]SigmaMu 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Why didn't the 'real victims' go to the police?

[–]JasinNat 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They secretly enjoyed it?

[–]Rasta_Platypus-8 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link

Fair question. Real victims can often remain anonymous with non-legal systems of punishment. Many of them don't want to face their assaulter, in court or otherwise, so they don't pursue legal punishment. They also don't want to go to class next to them every day, for the same reason. The same is true for false victims.

EDIT: You can downvote this response because you don't like this fact. But I'm not the one telling these girls to do what they do. It's just how it fucking is.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Every American has the Constitutional right to face their accuser. Your feelings are forfeit when it comes to my rights.

[–]Rasta_Platypus-5 points 12 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

You need to understand that that right exists in a United States court of law. Not your student life director's office. He can handle things however he sees fit, especially if you're at a private college.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Then why is a criminal offense being handled by someone who is not qualified nor governed by any checks and balances?

The directors ARE going to get the shit sued out of them and their entities.

He can handle things however he sees fit

Acceptance of federal funding disagrees.

[–]Rasta_Platypus-5 points 12 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if you've spoken to any department chiefs or university directors about this, but I have, so I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to clear this up for you... The two issues are unrelated. There is a legal track which may or may not be pursued; the police and investigators are bound by the consent of the alleged victim. There is also a contract track that all students agree to when they sign on as a student. At my university, the school can actually investigate even without the victim's consent. Their concern is not with punishment on the victim's behalf, it's with the future safety of the entire student body--as in, whether you like it or not, we will seek out your alleged attacker before he/she strikes again. This is why they encourage anonymous tips: even if you don't want to come forward for a trial, they want to know about the potential dangers on campus. The school is enforcing their own code of laws, not government laws.

If you have more questions or comments, let's discuss them. But if you just don't believe me, you should contact the police chief and student life chair of your university.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Are these directors immune to criminal and civil libel and defamation?

The school is enforcing their own code of laws, not government laws.

Are the alleged offenders ever detained against their will? If so, they've crossed the line between "expulsion because I can" and actual criminal activity.

These places aren't legal oasis where they can do as the see fit. Contracts cannot supersede law, and you cannot physically detain someone even on private property.

You want to expel someone for the heinous crime of not worshiping women? I guess go ahead, do your thing. You want to violate basic human rights without involving the proper government authorities? No, that is a problem.

you should contact the police chief and student life chair of your university.

At the largest university in my state, the university police are considered state troopers. Reporting to them would be reporting to the actual police whereby standard constitutional rights would be afforded. But, thankfully I don't live in a leftist hellhole.

[–]Rasta_Platypus-2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Shit, I also gather that you are not a journalism or law student. You should research "libel."

These places aren't legal oasis where they can do as the see fit. Contracts cannot supersede law, and you cannot physically detain someone even on private property.

I don't remember mentioning anyone being "detained." Are you speculating?

the heinous crime of not worshiping women

This is what makes me think you can't even discuss this with me. This sarcastic scarecrow is not what I'm fucking talking about. In fact, this system actually swings both ways! It punishes women too, on occasion.

At the largest university in my state, the university police are considered state troopers. Reporting to them would be reporting to the actual police whereby standard constitutional rights would be afforded.

My university is the same way. However, you can report to the school faculty without reporting to campus police. You can also report to the police and not involve the university. You can also reach both or neither. Remember what I said earlier, there are two separate tracks.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So you agree their power ends after expulsion?

Libel: defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures

Documenting that a person is a rapist without proof defies that definition how?

Why don't you take your psuedo intellectualism back to your lesbian studies.

[–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does everyone here honestly believe that spamming a system for reporting sexual assault is a proper action to take?

Of course it isn't, dumbass, that's why 4channers did it.

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