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National Post | How could a movement mandated to serve women's best interests get it so wrong?

zionController
July 31, 2013
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Title National Post | How could a movement mandated to serve women's best interests get it so wrong?
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zionController
Upvotes 68
Comments 64
Date July 31, 2013 5:18 PM UTC
(13 years ago)
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Comments

[–]TRP Vanguardlegendofpasta 37 points38 points39 points 13 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

The reality is that after a certain age, trying to find a good egg in a woman is like panning for gold in a mine that has already been stripped of its best bullion.

Feminism has created millions of heart broken women who are unable to conceive, either from old eggs, or sexual diseases that effect fertility. "hook up with guys in college! Guys get to have as much sex as they want, (false) so you can too!!!"

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 31 points32 points33 points 13 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention pushing fat acceptance without accepting that being obese risks ruining fertility as well.

[–]zionController[S] 17 points18 points19 points 13 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is a business. They sell their brand to any group that is naturally weak. Women, fat women, gays, etc.

Men work hard to produce a surplus. This is required to take care of families. Women just want to be big kids too, not realizing that working is the means to an end, not the end itself.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is a business

It's becoming more and more like this these days. Especially with things like fat acceptance. Telling people it's alright to be fat and have them depend on you (and only you) for validation is the gift that keeps on giving. They'll continue to be fat, continue to be shamed in the rest of society, continue to put up with "abuse" from doctors that this triple bypass is due to their obesity, and will continue buying your "Fat and Proud" books.

[–]Trolly-McTroll -4 points-3 points-2 points 13 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Gays are naturally weak? You should really see the natural masculinity they have when pursuing their partners compared to the average straight guy. A lot of the time they concentrate on building muscles too.

[–]MSoftHarem 13 points14 points15 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Those men are a small percentage of a small percentage. Most gay men are extremely effeminate, and that makes them weak men. TRP has no problem with homosexuality but to imply that the average gay man is a strong, masculine individual is disingenuous.

[–]Nutz76 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's politically incorrect as hell, but based on my real life experience being friends with a few gay dudes, it's entirely true.

[–]zionController[S] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

True on all counts.

I think we just got our first "NAGALT" from that guy.

TRP has no problem with homosexuality but to imply that the average gay man is a strong, masculine individual is disingenuous.

Well said

[–]MSoftHarem 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It gets old when people do not realize this a subreddit for men to discuss issues amongst themselves. Women are welcome to contribute but realize this is a male space. When men speak we use hyperbole, sarcasm, and generalizations to make points. We assume that when we say something our intended audience are fairly intelligent men who understand this. Most of the confusion and hate we get from outsiders would be mitigated if this fact was understood. However, I only want men and women who this does not need to be explained to on a regular basis, so we simply continue on as is.

[–]zionController[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I only want men and women who this does not need to be explained to on a regular basis, so we simply continue on as is.

Same. Not only that, but the existence of an exception does not disprove a rule. People try to white knight with NAWALT, but it proves nothing except that more often than not, our generalizations are accurate.

I sometimes ponder about this NAWALT problem and possible solutions to it, but so far I just downvote

[–]soapjackal 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Was gonna say something, but then your username gave me a laugh :D

[–]TRP Vanguardlegendofpasta -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Was gonna say something too... But username tipped me off, and also, it's not a strong leap to say that gays are naturally weak. They tend to be more effeminate. This is common knowledge.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, some gays are more effeminate. I've known some gay guys who I really respect as confident, masculine guys. Not many though. The large majority are bitches with dicks.

[–]zionController[S] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

NAGALT. We get it. Learn to accept generalizations.

[–]Netlinfo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, it seems though that the media likes the idea of very effeminate gay men. You don't see many manly homosexuals on TV. That propably contributes to the (false) idea that gays are naturally effeminate.

[–]zionController[S] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing more manly than blowing another guy, right?

We have no problem with gays here, but they do not represent traditional masculinity.

Please shill somewhere else.

[–]Netlinfo -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Please shill somewhere else.

I'm not gay nor trying to shill for homosexuality, I'm just stating what I believe is a truth.

As for gays being manly, in today's Western culture they are not considered so, but if you look at other cultures such as the Ancient Roman one, there was nothing wrong with getting your dick sucked by another guy, it was even considered extra-manly.

Other example: Alexander the Great is considered by many historians to have had relationships with men, do you think the guy was effeminate?

I'm not saying that gays represent traditional masculinity but I don't agree with the idea that they'd be naturally effeminate, it's just that it's easier to spot an effeminate man and figure out that he's gay than a masculine gay man.

[–]zionController[S] 64 points65 points66 points 13 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

From the comments:

"I agree. Women are told they must have a career, must be independent, self sufficient, they don't need men. Then they realize, many too late, that the cubicle life isn't all it's cracked up to be. Maybe the men didn't really have it so good eh? Maybe women raising children weren't so opressed after all?. So then they get on the baby track, and sadly too late for many. Or if they do succeed, they are told by media and others they are too old to be good parents, that they should have had kids younger, being on old parent is bad for the kids, their health etc. etc. Feminism has really screwed up alot of womens lives, constantly telling them that the way to fulfillment in life is through work, rather than the truth, that the way to fulfillment is through family."

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points49 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism has really screwed up alot of womens lives,

Not just the womens.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah let's have a moment of silence for all the screwed up and aborted children (her body, her choice), then for the men they've put through living hell: from hostile work environments, discriminatory hiring policies, vagamony, childextort payments... The list goes on and on and on and on.

NAWALT?

[–]monsieurhire2 22 points23 points24 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Maybe the men didn't really have it so good eh?"

True in most cases, although everybody dreams of having a glamour job, like they see on TV, where young, beautiful people play scientists, doctors, lawyers, spies, bankers, all of which are stressful jobs, and yet manage not to be fat, diseased, wrinkled, tired, and undercompensated . . . like people seen in non-glamorous jobs.

[–]ubercoolhipsterguy 19 points20 points21 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's aspirational branding. Women have no experience in the workplace, so they assume it's like they see on TV. Then they get to the cubicle and are upset people aren't treating them like princesses.

[–]icallmyselfmonster 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With opening the work force to 50% of the population, it also dilutes the returns. Money simply isnt spreading to support all the singletons lives.

[–]The_Thane_Of_Cawdor 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

divorced, lonely, no lives outside of work , complete dick heads from the nature of their jobs.

[–]noblepaladin 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, the key word is "MUST". There is no problem with women having choice. She can choose to work. She can choose to stay home. The people who have a problem with it are feminists, they push the idea that women MUST work or they are degrading the entire gender.

For example, not everybody should go to college. Some people are not cut out for it. Men can choose a different route and still keep their dignity. For example, they can join the military or they can work in a "manly" trade (ex: carpenter, repairman, construction worker, etc). But just think about how feminists would react if a young girl were to say that her plan is to be a barista for 2-3 years after high school and marry her boyfriend and become a stay at home mom? They will brigade and shame her. Not surprisingly, there are more girls enrolling in college than boys. And not surprisingly, they tend to go into the easy but non-marketable majors, graduate with six figures in debt, and end up working as a barista anyways (this is not just a female problem, this happens to males too because popular culture shames people towards one direction even if it is not the best).

Feminism is also degrading to the successful women in the same way that affirmative action is degrading to intelligent blacks and Hispanics. Most of the blacks and Hispanics in the elite colleges actually got there on their own merit (their scores were high enough), but in a lot of people's minds, there is an asterisk because you can't know for certain whether they are the smart one or the one that needed help. That actually creates more discrimination. When a woman succeeds by her own merit, feminism ends up swooping in to hijack the credit.

Feminism also creates a very toxic attitude. It creates an imaginary enemy. The Patriarchy is to blame for everything misfortune rather than oneself. We have had decades of affirmative action now, and it hasn't really worked at all. Test scores of blacks and Hispanics are still very low. Ironically, the two groups that faced intense reverse Affirmative Action (get penalized rather than helped), Jews and Asians, have performed the best and are over-represented at the elite colleges despite facing huge penalties (some research show as much as 150 SAT points for Asian males).

If feminism really had women's best interests in mind, they would embrace a woman's ability to choose not to be a career woman if she doesn't want to be one as much as her ability to choose to be a career woman. Instead, they shame her for having choice.

[–]zionController[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a really high quality comment reply and should be a stand alone post.

Make a text post and post this. Make the subect line "Feminism is degrading to successful women" and I guarantee you'll get a good amount of votes

[–]Opioidus 17 points18 points19 points 13 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

It saddens me that it's still all about what women want, need, desire, truly need, really want, actually desire and so on. Never about what men need.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 13 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

As a man nobody is going to look out for you. You are on your own.

And in some sense, it's our own damn fault. We let women infect our institutions and our whole society with this disease of feminism. Only a few speak up who are then quickly silenced by white knights.

Women slut around, do whatever they want without regard to the consequences and still one of us is marrying them after they are done partying.

It's us who sign a contract which only benefits her side. We let them take half of what we have.

Even then many men do not learn. They are so afraid of staying alone that they marry again.

It's us who need to change. The women will follow.

[–]ubercoolhipsterguy 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

still one of us is marrying them after they are done partying.

Speak for yourself

[–]Clauderoughly 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same.

My wife was a virgin, till she met me.

[–]zionController[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Women have always been the moral compass of society. Men can change, but it won't matter. It's women who have fucked this up, and women who will have to change to make it better.

Don't hold your breath though. Just pray that traditionalism makes a comeback.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]zionController[S] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

any society ever

[–]TRP Vanguardlegendofpasta 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

What men need has always been the same. We don't need to question it, it just is.

It's women who are going through a political identity crisis.

We should never have given them the vote. Limited suffrage is the only way to maintain a strong country. The founding fathers knew this.

[–]empyblessing 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes but by naming it then it can die. You follow? Give them nothing to fight and nothing to rebel against by simply catering the electorate to what men do naturally without an obligatory laws of discrimination. Make it so only land owning, income earning, heads of house can vote whoever that is and you provide them no room to rebel. How many women own a home, land, and are a net positive taxpayer? How many would be left without welfare and affirmative action?

[–]zionController[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That would be the perfect solution

[–]slippery_people1 points 13 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

would be amazing, but it would also be extremely unconstitutional.

Covert discrimination against women works in some areas, like requiring police officers to pass s difficult strength and fitness test.

[–]FascistComicBookHero 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Huh? It's a matter of routine nowadays that institutions such as the fire, police and military lower physical test standards - to absurd levels in some cases - in order to cater to women.

[–]slippery_people1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

yeah I have no doubt they do, but fitness tests that passively exclude women aren't illegal if the job requires it. Like Lanning v. SEPTA - http://www.lris.com/pslndocs/12_2002_07.html

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So then people born into poverty have no choice and are repressed by a system controlled by social elites. Sounds awful.

[–]delta_hedge 29 points30 points31 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

biology sets limits for women?

stop these hatefacts!

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

biology = biggest bitch of them all

[–]TRP Vanguardlegendofpasta 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"hatefacts"

This should be in the glossary of terms

[–]beencounter 13 points14 points15 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has only succeeded in cheapening women. Now it's acceptable to dress and behave like a whore? To refuse to have a family? To refuse to let someone provide for them? Well, no wonder we aren't taken seriously.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being a male, I'm so glad I wasn't raised by a feminist. It's borderline abusive.

[–]Nutz76 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Relevant:

http://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/feminisms-terrible-blunder/

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What if a recent college graduate who was the star pitcher for his college baseball team told you that he intended to play Major League professional baseball, but not until after he’d gotten his law degree and had established a successful law practice? You’d think he was crazy, yet women do the equivalent every day.

[–]Nutz76 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with the quote? It compares two perishable assets, the hypothetical man's athletic ability to play baseball at a professional level and women's fertility. Both would be hugely mistaken to squander their respective perishable assets if they want to use them to their maximal benefit.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreeing 100%. I thought that was awesome and its going to be my goto analogy now.

[–]throwaway8671 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Question from a girl who does well academically, but wants to start a family in my fertile years and be a nurturing mother: how can I balance my life? What if the star pitcher really enjoys law as well?

Edit: Also, what if my boyfriend doesn't want to start a family until he finishes with graduate school? My current path is to go to graduate school with him, but then I might not finish schooling till my late 20s.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are probably better off asking /r/RedPillWomen/ for advice on how pursue what works best for you.

As for the star pitcher, he would have to pick one that he wants to excel at now because both careers take all your effort to do properly. But playing ball makes more sense because he is time limited in his ability to do that, while cam Always become a lawyer at any time.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

meanwhile on tumblr:

biotruths aren't real. BIOTRUTHS AREN'T REAL.

[–]zionController[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha "biology doesn't make me feeeeel good! So its not true!!

[–]lord-denning 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This came up over in the ladies' forum recently and I said the following:

http://en.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/1j4mc8/what_do_women_feel_once_they_swallow_the_red_pill/cbba5yy

It's one thing to live and let live, and let those women that really think feminism is what they want to let them pursue it. It's another thing altogether to spread misinformation and prevent the truth from getting out.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

An equally humiliating process. And not without its own share of ethical dilemmas (Would they accept a child born of rape? With disabilities? Of another race? No, no and no, they are somewhat ashamed to realize).

Typical leftoid hypocrisy.

[–]RedeemingVices 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand the need to have kids, not in any way, shape, or form. I don't just mean that I don't understand it in the context of RP theory; I literally do not see the point in having a child. All it does is cost money and time, and leaving a "legacy" is pointless bullshit. I really don't get it.

[–]t21spectre 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed, a legacy is merely someone wanting to keep their ego alive after their in a box underground. When I die I'm not going to care what happens to my name, assets, achievements, etc. I'll be dead, and none of it will matter to my corpse.

As I once heard, life is like a game of monopoly, you can defeat all the other players, own all the property on the board, with all the wealth to be had in the game. But in the end, everything goes back into the box, for someone else to play.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I win at monopoly, I kick everyone out of the room and bronze the board as is and frame it. Everyone will know my superior dice-rolling abilities.

[–]otaking 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems someone didn't have a very good childhood...

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Put a few debutants smoking cigs in the Macy's Day Parade and 20 years later thousands of them are dying of lung cancer. Turns out smokin' packs of unfiltered Luckies wasn't good for their health, after all.

'Feminism' is the PR firm realization that you can sell women any bullshit as long as they are led to believe it is for their, exclusive, benefit.

Pandering to women should be illegal.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's why (good) parents don't let their kids eat cake and cookies just because they want.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it is not about serving womens best interest, it is simply a subset of ideological postmodernism.

You see I am not religious, but there seems to be something Christianity really gets well the Adam and Eve myth to Milton's Paradise Lost and specifically Lucifer in that book: there is a certain kind of pride or vanity that seeks freedom in the sense of no limitations whatsoever not for practical purposes, but simply it is offended by them, the pride or vanity is hurt by them. It's entirely different from that practical sensible kind of freedom that is saying I am really sure XYZ will be OK for me and everybody, so just let me do it already. It's more like: who you do you think you are to dare to limit me! It's offended vanity, hurt pride.

And seriously I think there is something like this behind feminism and behind all the other modernist - postmodernist kind of ideologies.

It's interesting how traditional kinds of, masculine kinds of men, although dominant, more easily accept submission or limitation, when it makes sense without feeling hurt by this. I mean consider the the typical trainer of some kind of high school sports team. He is usually crazy authoritarian and really does not care about your pride, he will yell at you to run faster you fatass lazy sissy. And yes, the boys of course dislike it to some part, sometimes rebel, sometimes give lip. But overally they accept it because if it is what it takes to win, they guess they gain more pride by winning than the pride they lose by having to follow the orders of this annoying tyrant guy.

Interesting how it is usually the beta or more like gamma teenage boys who make a big deal of every adult respecting their autonomy & they don't accept limitations at all. And the girls of course.

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