Problems with MGTOW

i2amahandmodel · 2016-07-06T13:15:04+00:00

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NeoreactionSafe · 2016-07-06T14:50:49+00:00

MGTOW is Frame

That's it.

It's separation from the herd mind and "going your own way" with free thought.

Whether you chose to stay separate physically or not doesn't change the root meaning which is about freedom.

Game is knowing how to manipulate others.

Don't get these two concepts confused.

I've heard guys call Frame "inner Game" and in a sense that is true.

When we "Kill the Beta" we are practicing "inner Game" and reconfiguring our own reward and punishment system.

The MGTOW has simply decided not to reward behaviors that seek sexual gratification by avoiding entities beyond his control. (women)

That action is stoic... what one cannot Game one cannot desire.

Desire only that which you can conquer.

Game without a solid Frame is the PUA.

abetterarsonist · 2016-07-06T15:55:58+00:00

I like the MGTOW dudes. I like the MRAs too. And I like the TRP dudes. They all notice the same things and are unafraid to talk about them. They just have different priorities.

Tyler_Gatsby · 2016-07-06T18:48:31+00:00

Ever heard the phrase, "divide and conquer?" This is how we get divided and conquered. We've got enough real problems from being outnumbered who knows how many to one by SJW's and feminazis. We don't need to turn on each other like the women do. You're not going to like every post on either sub, we each have our own asshole opinions. Yes, there's self righteous hypocrites, and wanna be neck beards, and teenage boys in both camps. Just look past it, and contribute where we can.

_yaaay_ · 2016-07-06T13:53:51+00:00

For some the bitter phase never ends. So be happy you are not bitter enough. Let them be happy as they wish.

sexowlinyourwindow · 2016-07-06T17:29:40+00:00

I don't know what the e-celebs are up to, but if you look at where mgtow comes from, it usually is-

1)A stark look at the nature of women, and

2)A judgement of what you have to lose and gain from them

In my case, I like fucking women, but I rarely enjoy having them around otherwise, they are a nuisance. I don't want anything else from them until I find one to keep and have kids with. I know it will be a burden, but I want kids and an intact family is the best way to raise them. In the current legal climate, that's a huge problem.

Marriage is too risky for me (for now at least). LTRs in the absence of children do not interest me. I don't even want to invest time texting and shit to keep a girl around in the short term. Just fucking is fine, but only if it isn't too risky, not worth it if there are redflags, don't want to get a FRA. Not fucking is the default state, so not getting laid is no burden. The amount of effort I will invest in getting laid is almost zero.

But all I hear is mgtow = male feminism, mgtow = misogyny! They're all just angry virgins! This is straight off the feminist language link on the sidebar, but it's coming from supposed men. I don't think that all the mgtow-hate is true, but if so.... who the fuck cares?

edit: formatting

NietzscheExplosion · 2016-07-06T15:43:24+00:00

I'd love to see another post from you in say 40 years on MGTOW. Chances are, you'll be living a MGTOW lifestyle.

There are three ways to MGTOW that I have seen/know:

1) You are in fact undesireable to enough women, that you do not even want to waste time with the few left for you (and their bullshit). Young MGTOWs, if we have to generalize more.

2) You have accumulated enough Damage from Women that you are at least on a VERY LONG Monk mode, so it might as well be MGTOW. Also even the most successful bachelor CAN get sick of the same ol game with hundreds of women and get all spiritual n shit with it .(And also sick of their bullshit). Late 30s to 50s to generalize further.

3) Literally don't need women at all. Honest to Odin, do not even want to grab a big perfect titty. So tell me little young padwan redpiller, WTF does he need them for at this stage in life? Grow up. You will whether you like it or not, there are CERTAINLY many more important things in life than women. These guys are probably using 90% of their time doing that. (Also sick of their bullshit, esp for companionship). 60s + to generalize further.

As Neoreastionsafe said, a powerful MGTOW displays incredible Frame. Zero Game, is in fact required for that much frame. For any "successful", interaction with women you are giving some frame for some game. Like in war, you give up defense for offense.

TheRedStoic · 2016-07-06T14:15:34+00:00

Your post boils down to, "they're too dogmatic and arrogant"

Your post unfortunately is framed from a position of dogmatism and arrogance.

Funny yes?

Don't worry about how the guy on the internet conducts his life. Improve your own.

Piroko · 2016-07-06T12:57:57+00:00

I think you needed to revise this a couple more times before posting, its kinda a pile of disjointed thoughts.

Yes.

There is a problem with MGTOW. To keep it short, its that its a delusion of convincing yourself that you have agency and you are exercising that agency by not exercising it.

When the reality is, that many of these men (not all, but many) have very little agency, and refuse to do what is necessary to increase their agency.

n_dois · 2016-07-06T16:13:52+00:00

OP, I don't get your post (and neither some beta bashing). More MGTOW/Beta men doesn't mean less real competition? Thus, if mgtow/mra are for men what feminists are for women, doesn't mean they are counter balancing the market by increasing male value by reducing the offer?

Hakametal · 2016-07-06T13:19:01+00:00

The problem with MGTOW is they can't come to terms with the true nature of women. There is a deep rooted sense of misogyny among them because of this, rather than accepting reality of women and adapting to that reality.

I fucking love women, even though I've had my heart broken quite a few times. But those women are the reason why I'm on this path. To understand how and why they operate, why they lose attraction, why they gain attraction, why they hate nice guys, why they love being dominated etc.

If women are the ocean storm and men are the captains in their little dingy trying to navigate it, then MGTOWs are the men who have become too scared to navigate the storm anymore.

appleisfine · 2016-07-06T13:20:17+00:00

MGTOW's are defeatist pussies.

They're literally the male equivalent of the feminist who says she's a strong independent womyn that don't need no man, and she says this 24/7 wherever she can. It's sad.

MK_D · 2016-07-06T13:10:20+00:00

EXACTLY, they are negative as a whole.

You can have a balance between WOMEN and YOURSELF. You don't have to chase women all day to be successful with them.

They chose to turn their back on their biology and CHOSE not to be a MAN. They chose to be ASEXUAL, or to turn to their HAND. They can't escape their nature. It's a PUSSY or the HAND. I've made my choice.

HAVE YOU?

MK_D · 2016-07-06T14:39:59+00:00

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Title	Problems with MGTOW
Author	MK_D
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Comments	46
Date	July 6, 2016 12:50 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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