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Put yourself on the pedestal [FR]

blowmedotgov
June 24, 2015
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Title Put yourself on the pedestal [FR]
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blowmedotgov
Upvotes 94
Comments 62
Date June 24, 2015 4:13 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
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[–]mrmeyhemn24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (57 children) | Copy Link

they aren't used to being challenged. they want to chase. let them. you did it right, good job!

[+]kalstate-10 points-9 points-8 points 11 years ago* (56 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. I'm an amateur, yet my early experiments are showing similar results. Show high value, pull a Houdini, and find something else to do--as if that one doesn't exist. She'll find you if she's interested.

I pulled two experimental disappearing acts this past week. One hasn't reported back, but the other one stalked me, figured out my last name and emailed me her phone number after one date. The hamster is flying off the handle with this one. Tonight she asked why I disappeared. I said 'no reason'. She kept trying to figure it out by asking more questions (I thought we had a good time...don't you want to date?...etc..). I changed the subject by telling a romantic fantasy I just came up with. After 10 minutes of texting, I abruptly ended the conversation. All along, her responses were along the lines of 'wow', 'profound', and so on.. As of the moment, I won't contact her if I never see or hear from her again, but I suspect after the brief show she's thinking about it...probably with another guy right now...but thinking about it nevertheless. We'll see if I get a shot at the title in the near future... Would love to go for a spin..

Edit: OK, I see the points going down here.. please advise.

[–]unassumingusername77 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link

I didn't down vote you, but the standard advice is not to text except for logistics. 10 minutes seems like too much to me, and one word responses, even if she's saying "wow", just sounds like a bad sign. Just keep tweaking things and see what works for you.

[+]kalstate-9 points-8 points-7 points 11 years ago* (40 children) | Copy Link

Noted, thanks. Here's the conversation... http://i.imgur.com/lUNj3bV.png

Edit: again with the down voting. If you're down voting, then you clearly don't understand what's going on here. Some of us are trying to learn some skills. How do you not get that? Are you against learning and self-improvement?

[–]RICCIedm12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

man, wtf is all that shit? The perfect kiss? You were doing great until "I have a married asian friend..."

[–]Retro93 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, he was fine up until that part. He had done well to make himself come off as mysterious and aloof, then ruins it with that shit about his Asian friend that doesn't even fit into the conversation anywhere. You can actually see the point in the conversation where she loses all interest.

"Hmm that's interesting"

What she means is, "what the fuck are you saying? You're weird as fuck." If you ever get a response like this, just don't respond. She's contributing nothing and anything you say afterwards is going to make you look like a tryhard with zero options. Let the conversation flow naturally, guys. If it doesn't feel natural, it's going to creep her out or make her lose interest.

I'm most disappointed by this because dude had her on the hook before he started getting weird. A girl that seeks you out wants you bad.

[–]kalstate1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Got the second date. She's hooked. Now I can't get rid of her.

[–]kalstate-3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What she means is, "what the fuck are you saying? You're weird as fuck."

Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell. I think I'm going to sleep with this one. The hook was only set deeper. If you can't see that, then this game is above your comprehension. Thanks for the feedback and have an upvote.

[–]Retro93 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey, if you can pull it off, I'll be impressed as fuck. I've run some pretty weird game before so I know it's possible, but don't get your hopes up. "Weird game" should only be used when you genuinely don't give a fuck.

[–]kalstate1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey thanks. If you don't hear back from me, I lost the bet! But I still don't give a fuck..

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pulled it off. Be impressed.

[–]2rp_valiant1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you slotted yourself into the "beta" category with her by sending her your romantic fantasies. You're acting like you're orbiting this asian friend, which demolished your "mysterious" frame and made you seem just like any of her orbiters. If a girl says "hmm that's interesting" it's because she doesn't know how to respond to the massive frame drop you just induced. The "wow" at the end was a "wow, that was an eye-opener".

[–]kalstate4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, OK, I'm still trying to figure this shit out... It was another failed experiment. Thanks for the feedback..

[–]heeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeee 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Non-in-real-life communication should never extend beyond basic logistics unless you want to say some absurd and amusing things to her (Try: "I just made the world's smallest snowman" or "8=====D"). Don't talk about your feelings, your dreams, or hers for that matter. Use as few words as possible and focus your energy on building value and attraction through self-improvement instead of through seduction techniques per se.

NEVER talk about romance or true love to a woman. That is incredibly unattractive. Only after demonstrating a clear alpha frame should you ever utilize romance, and even when you do you're only throwing her a bone to soothe her Disney-princess ideals.

[–]kalstate4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Jesus, I have so much more to learn. Thanks..

[–]heeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeee 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Get on that side-bar material and use the asktrp subreddit to ask as many questions as you want, it's a great place to throw ideas around and get input.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the info..Yes I go to both places. Does that mean it's faux pas for me to participate in the commentary sections of this subreddit, as someone who is trying to learn?

[–]heeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeee2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Just comment as an inquiring student rather than an advice-giver, the fact that you can even recognize this means you're ahead of a lot of newbies here. Good luck.

[–]kalstate1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Much appreciated. Will change my interaction approach with the subreddit. Thanks..

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Had a second date. She keeps texting me. Go figure.

[–]Yozki1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha I was like that when I was 16 and horny.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I changed my mind. It's not another failed experiment. I'll take the criticism and the lay for the win.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Got the second date. Wasn't feeling attracted to her. Would have been an easy lay though.

[–]RICCIedm0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well then you probably understand the hamster better than me sir, wp.

[–]donit1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Looks like you're using NLP hypnosis to embed the girl deeply into a projection she would want, and then yanking it away, which causes her to switch gears into forward and give chase.

But I think it's not as much about making her want it more as it is about getting her into a gear that will move forward. If you only approach the girl, she'll instinctively go into reverse and then it becomes a question of how much or how long she's going to stay in reverse and resist your approach.

And the problem is, once she's in that mode, she becomes used to being in that mode, and so it makes continually resisting you feel more comfortable.

But if you can get her into forward gear and have her come after you, then it becomes much easier to catch her.

This is something you have to do in a lot of situations, because even if you're offering someone something they want or need, if they're in reverse mode, they are going to arbitrarily reject it. It's like trying to make an important point to someone while they're walking away. It's just going to fall onto deaf ears.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is all deep theory for me. I hadn't heard of NLP hypnosis, but I'll take your word for it. Still not sure what I did wrong or how I could've improved the situation. Perhaps I shouldn't have told her a story about a dream, who knows?

[–]donit0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You were describing an actual dream? Well, I guess it was the natural form of the technique. Maybe we're already programmed to do it.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it was an actual dream (not that it matters, I think). Technique needs improvement. Also, I think I'll skip it on the text, and modify/improve/save it for in-person conversation.

[–]donit0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Actually, I think what you typed was powerful as hell, and teased the shit out of that girl. I guarantee you turned her on. The only question mark is did the fact that you're talking about obsessing about your friend make you seem unavailable. It's okay to show passion for the married woman, as long as you emphasize the impossibility of it.

Going indirect like that is pretty much the only way you can demonstrate your level of passion to the girl, because any other context would imply it's directed at her and feel like a bright light shining in her face.

But these situations can wind up perfect. Your Asian friend provides a lot of social proof. Listening to the story, you obsession is easily re-directed to herself. So, it provides an easy gap for the girl to fix in her mind. Girls love to connect easy gaps.

She's thinking: you are fantasizing about a married woman you can't have. Hey, just switch all that over to me and everything will be good.

I've heard of countless girls in that situation who hang around the guy for months hoping to re-direct all that sweet goodness toward themselves. It's like showing them an ice cream cone. Of course they are going to want it.

Your text exchange was flawless, and so I think it's silly for anyone to try to critique it, which just means it's beyond their comprehension. It was an incredible, poetic, emotionally hypnotizing display of what you have to offer. And despite what some are saying, there's not one redpill or seduction mistake in there.

There's nothing tryhard about it, and you made no effort to please the girl you were talking to, or ask her opinion, or do anything for her. You didn't give a fuck about her opinion, or what she wanted to talk about. You were just telling her "this is how I roll".

That's why I thought it was professionally done. When I was reading it, I was thinking god damn this guy's good. He doesn't just hit below the belt, he drives a truck through it.

Well, let's find out. I think you snagged this girl hard with that exchange. It's like you showed her a Disney fairy tale, and just like when they watch the movie, they put themselves into the female character.

It's like describing the juiciest steak she can imagine, with a side of mashed potatoes and gravy. She's thinking oh my god I want that. WOW.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the vote of confidence and insights. There are some more subtle tricks in the story, e.g., I have a convertible, and I was anchoring her emotions of the feeling of a kiss (i.e., I wanted her to think about her lips, so I could subtly bring it up in possible future conversations). Anyway, I hope it helps some other hopeless/helpless romantics like me..

As a side note, I've been experiencing a personal down-vote brigade, so I think someone on reddit has it out for me, but whatever..just goes to show some people will invest 100-1000 more times the effort to bring someone down than they would to raise them up...crab mentality.

[–]donit2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'd like to read and analyze more text if you have any. You seem like a natural.

I like to study what things cause a person's SMV to rise and fall throughout a conversation, and dig deep into interpreting the responses.

For example, girls like you to route them and choose things for them, and inject them with your opinion, which is pretty much the same thing.

So, the reverse of that is girls don't like you to ask them to choose between things, or ask them to inject you with their opinion. They don't like to route the guy, they want him to be the router.

So, if you ask a girl to pick a day she wants to get together, it makes her feel uncomfortable. It's like it jams the machine. Same thing with asking her to pick the restaurant, or other details of the date. She wants them to be steps that you take, that you route for her.

[–]kalstate1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That was my first spontaneous 'seduction' attempt. It wasn't really planned, just kind of happened. I was thinking about 'sharing your inner dialogue' from a brilliant comment by a fellow RP man last week. So, lately, I've been sharing my inner dialogue with everyone, at every chance I get. Sometimes I'm in the flow, and sometimes I have nothing to say. I will keep practicing, and would be glad to share my interactions in the future. Thanks again for your vote of confidence. The others on this thread are slinging some serious mud on this topic, but I'm having fun..

[–]kalstate1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

By the way, I did get the second date. I could have f-closed, but I wasn't feeling attracted to her. We had dinner, hung out, had a nice time, etc. Now she's texting me, but I think I'm going to bail. Anyway, the experiment worked, despite the downvotes. Thanks again for your vote of confidence. If you hadn't said something, I might have bailed too early. Peace!

[–]unassumingusername70 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We get brigaded by SJWs pretty regularly. And there are probably some subscribers who don't get it, hate your username, or who knows. At least it's just internet points.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I started to think maybe I'm not advanced enough to be contributing, which is probably true, but of course I need the advice too. Anyway, thanks for the note...peace..

[–]Finucho0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This conversation screams "tryhard". You are doing all the talking. I usually compare the amount of text to body language, if your text is bigger, you are leaning too much into her, and you are trying too hard. What was the goal with the dream part? Make her jealous-interested? Much better to be mysterious about another girl, let her hamster do the work (you even tell her the asian girl was married...)

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, in retrospect it was way 'tryhard'. All good information here..thanks.

[–]unassumingusername70 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude that is so cringey. All that stuff about being in love in a dream is so bad that I'm not sure if you're trolling. You have a ton of reading to do. Go through the sidebar.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are fucking wrong, dude. Pay attention and you might learn something.

[–]silvertongue35 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Text game makes me cringe, it just does not have the same impact as in person communication.

[–]kalstate-5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough. She was trying to get me to buy her shit on the first date, which is partly why I pulled back in the first place. Who knows? Here's the conversation: http://i.imgur.com/lUNj3bV.png

[–]cunt_stench690 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

absolutely horrible, lol. If I was that chick I would never fuckin talk to you again.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But you're a guy and yet you're talking to me. Are you gay?

[–]cunt_stench69-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

lol. clearly. write me another story sexy <3

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I only write stories for myself.

[–]donit1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

People will reject an idea if it breaks more than one rule of convention. This one is actually two ideas: Gaming over text and playing the part of vanishing prospect.

The guys aren't sold on text game, because for most of them, any effort to do it generally backfires. And so in the need for a one size fits all rule, they say to just not even try.

The trap guys fall into in text game is they start focusing on the girl's opinions and wants, instead of their own, and so they immediately fall into a beta frame, which ruins the attraction. But since this strategy involves cutting text short, I don't think it would get anyone into trouble.

If you know what you're doing, text game can become an effective tool. I've done it successfully myself, and it involved something similar, which I call "teasing around a corner." It's like teasing a cat: Here it is, there it goes, gotta be a little faster if you want to catch it.

So, it looks like you've stumbled upon a powerful tool, and I think it is worth exploring. Looking forward to the update.

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OK, cool, I love the teasing cat metaphor. I will keep experimenting--thanks! I thought I was in the twilight zone with the down votes.

[–]mrmeyhemn1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"no reason" is evasive, aloof is not evasive. aloof is being distant.

evasive is dodging the question. its not about what you say its how you say it.

"no reason" opens things up to her interpretation, too much room for her to hamster negative thoughts. "i was really busy" without apology is distant without being evasive. it implies that you didn't have time for her then but you are making a little time for her now.

"no reason" directly says "idgaf and your feelz are not important in the least". thing is she wants you to cater to her feelz, but not too much! thats where aloof comes in, it allows you to give the impression that you (sort of/maybe?) care when you really don't have to. it gets the hamster going in good ways.

example hamster 1: "oh, he was busy, i was worried about nothing, hes talking to me now so everything is ok!" <- you win

vs

example hamster 2: "no reason? what kind of answer is that, there is a reason for everything because FEEEELZ tell me there is a reason for everything, thats why i have this hamster in my head, to make up the REASONS and JUSTIFY EVERYTHING! he doesn't care, he just wanted pussy, i have 0 chance to get a grip on/change this one. better find a more easily controlled beta. or take my turn on the alpha cock." <-you lose

[–]kalstate0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, these are good possible interpretations. Thanks..

We had a pretty good first date (lots of details, some positive, some negative). She was shit testing me hard from the beginning, trying to get me to pay, etc.. So, after the date and a few online shit tests, I drastically changed the game plan by disappearing to see what would happen. She's still being sneaky (still don't know her last name), but keeps contacting me and showing interest. Pretty sure I'm doing the optimal thing here, given my mediocre expertise and her clearly advanced game, but time will tell. Anyway, all comments are helpful...I especially enjoy the shame tactics and male shit testing I'm getting by some of the other fellows on this thread. It's an unexpected source of entertainment and practice...

[–]thefisherman196113 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh I don't do hookups either. If I'm going to rock someone's world I want to at least know that she's worth it.

Pressure Flip and Agree and Amplify combined into one. You destroyed that shit test.

[–]MagicGainbow3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Experiencing the same recently, met a girl, but university/life stuff came up which I then focused on, as a consequence I ended up turning her down a few times, now she is pursuing me.

...Mother you were right, treat them mean keep them keen.

[–]yastroud 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Oh I don't do hookups with random boys."

Went on a coffee date --lame, right-- with a college girl (HB7 or maybe soft HB8) who said this. Something more like "I'm not a sex-outside-relationships type girl". I replied with a clearly sexual joke, "damn it, looks like I'm going home to my girlfriend tonight." Literally next time I saw her she tore my clothes off.

[–]Assassin14763 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Oh I don't do hookups with random boys." lol wut...

"Sweetie, fucking you would be a great disservice to myself." "Who said I wanted to have sex with you to begin with?" "Glad to hear it. Because Superman doesn't hook up with a plain jane, lois lane."

Majority of the time that I've said this or something similar like this to girls who were giving shit test, the shift of power went right to me. You dismiss their whole entire existence with any statement like that. When you openly show that their pussy (existence) means absolutely nothing to you and you can honestly care less about fucking them or being with them, you automatically pull out a couple cars ahead of them.

It's like in the film the Matrix, when the Agents would pull out their guns and shoot at Neo. He would put his hand up and those bullets would just freeze in mid air before dropping to the ground all the while with him having a facial expression like he didn't give a shit. That's the same concept as a women openly giving you a shit test. You dismiss that shit like it's fucking nothing and whatever happens afterwards is in your control. Whether they run away (leave you) or charge after you down that hallway with more female hamstering and shit test, stay calm and logical and deflect all that bullshit with one hand. Because she will eventually do one of two things, fuck you or leave you and you should always be satisfied with either outcome.

Patrice O'Neal "The power you have is the power I let you have. If I don't give a fuck about your pussy and fucking you, what power do you really have over me? Nothing. You have nothing."

[–]Dalconzthefonz 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i got a girl on tinder who i did not hit it off with whatsoever, decided to fuck with her and argue that she was essentially a stupid whore (she was a showgirl in Vegas). for two months she wouldn't leave me alone, no one had ever talked to her like that they always kissed her ass; i acted like the prize.

putting yourself on the pedestal is one of the best pieces of advice you could be given for gaming women, if you don't do it already, do it now

[–]Frdl1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why do people believe the hamster mind? "I don't do random hook ups" means exactly the opposite.

[–]SeekingTheWay0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly - overcompensating the inner shame of doing exactly that in the past: random hookups

[–]moosevice_dot_com 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The moment you become putty to her is the moment she hamsters that you are below her. That's why alpha behavior is important to internalize.

[–]ECoast_Man0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I don't do hookups either. If I'm going to rock someone's world I want to at least know that she's worth it.

Nice one.

Further commentary - I use the challenge of 'being worth it' all the time with women. It doesn't even need to be that creative, 'well I don't know if you're worth my time yet' whatever. Just keeping using the notion of worth.

Women love 'earning' something and especially of they perceive you as in demand or the 'forbidden fruit'.

That's why this worked. Keep working that into your diction.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Removed. Once your thread meets the format requirements, shoot me a message and I'll reinstate it.

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[–]SaintMarinus1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Good FR. Straight to the point.

[–]TheDialecticParadox-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Going to try this mentality in a few nights on a girl I've been receiving IOI's from in my class.

[–]Stonish-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea man this works. For me it is always hard to put it in right words so she'll feel I'm a challange but she won't feel I'm rude or needy. I managed to get a girl thinking about me as a challange once - and Im still not sure how exactly I did it but it was similar thing to yours. I guess I used the right words, wish it could be easier. Anyway great response :)

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