Question about careers

Mangoinhand · 2017-04-09T09:40:11+00:00

Also, do not worry about working long term. Us millenials prefer jobs that last 1 - 3 years tops (or get laid off due to shifting labour market and major techno-structural changes are underway)

The job market is shit (even if you make 150k/year like me)... who wants to spend the better part of the sunniest parts of the days indoor working for some asshole with a bunch of douches for colleagues?

Mind Your Own Business

LetPigsFly · 2017-04-09T03:04:16+00:00

I'll put in a word for Construction, I'm starting as an Electrician myself and I'm 24 too.

Living in London there's a big demand for labour, and getting started isn't too difficult. I Imagine i'd have a harder time here if i was looking for an office job of some kind.

I'll lay out a few pros and cons for you:

Pros :

Variety, as an electrician I go wherever man goes, think about it, Oil rigs, Ships, Skyscrapers, and that's just as an electrician. Spend some time in construction and you'll see so many differant trades and each of them leading down a differant kind of niche.
Money, 3-4 years is the typical length required for an apprenticeship and after this you're gold in the city.
Career line, how far you take it is up to you. You can specialise in one field, or combine two trades (e.g. electrical and mechanical for work on machinery) or you can move toward leadership/admin/self employment.
Health, both your mental and physical health will benefit from not being sedentary.
Travel, the biggest reason I chose this path was because I wanted to travel. When I have my UK Quaifications in a year, I can go anywhere (I plan to settle in New Zealand eventualy).

Cons :

Longevity, Eventualy even if you take the upmost care of your person you will start to fall apart and at 50 you'll want to kick your feet up a bit, so you better keep moving forward while you can.
Health Hazards, you can probably fill this in yourself, falling off ladders, electric shocks, asbstos ect.
Health and safety is a pain in the arse.
It's a good idea to be able to stand up for yourself but if you've been going to the Gym this wont be too much of an issue.
You'll be starting from the bottom, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is what can you do, and at what price.

Edit: Bad formatting.

rpmatt · 2017-04-09T05:07:50+00:00

I am going to recommend construction as well. Either HVAC or electrical. The money is good, you stay active which helps you stay in shape and you can end up going on your own if you want to.

I started out in construction, went IT and I hated it. So now at 47, I am going back to electrical work and transferring my credits for construction management degree. Guess I am doing things in reverse, but it is what I love to do and where I will be happy.

Mangoinhand · 2017-04-09T06:43:52+00:00

Real estate is not part of your values?

You mean you live in a cardboard box? Real estate puts a roof over your head. You care very deeply about real estate (unless you live in a cardboard box).

michael_wilkins · 2017-04-09T08:14:45+00:00

The mistake I made when I was your age was not making the most of my opportunity.

It doesn't matter if your flipping burgers, try to be a rockstar at flipping burgers. Ask your bosses questions, ask them about customer complaints etc.

If you don't like your job, then focus on moving up the ladder by increasing your own value and reputation. You know those people reddit complains about? the brown nosers who know all the right people and take credit for other people's work and get all the credit?

Be that person.

Actually that works for most advice, the people that reddit complains about? be that person.

northern_yeti · 2017-04-09T08:51:05+00:00

Said in previous comment regarding your desire to not go into real estate:

Well, I guess I mean I don't want to be in that position because I don't like sales and the ethics of it

You may have a skewed sense of the real estate industry because I dunno where you live, but in my neck of the woods, its booming.

In sales, you are marketing to a certain demographic no matter what the market is doing. Yes, housing prices might be rising in your area, but just like the stock market, there are highs and lows. In 2008, the market crashed and property was selling for dirt cheap. I bet you money that you'd be fine with trying real estate then because more people your age could afford it.

Ethically, what's wrong with sales? Do you stereotype every salesman as a liar or a cheater who's out to get everyone's money without an ounce of care about the client in question? Not all of us are like that I assure you.

To be successful in sales nowadays, its more profitable to have the client's best interest in mind 100% of the time. You need to position yourself as a consultant, a resource for prospects to get as close as possible to a solution to the problem they are facing. The harder you work before the sale, the higher the pay off. Ethically speaking, there is nothing wrong with sales if you see your customer as a partner, not an opponent.

For example, you're selling real estate in city xyz. You're client wants to sell their home to move to be closer to their family in city ABC. Your job is to get that home sold as fast as possible for the maximum amount of capital. That's one half of your business. The second half is to find a buyer for the home in question. You put the sign in the dirt, replace the flyers when they run out and maybe throw some dollars at some print ads in the local Nicklesworth newspaper. You set appointments with potential buyers, show the home, highlight the pros of the home and disclose any issues it may have. One prospect makes an offer on the home, you negotiate with the client selling said home, counter offer and they accept it. The client is happy the home is sold, the buyer is happy you put them in the home of their dreams, you profit.

Don't pigeon hole yourself if you have no idea what you want to do with your life. Hell, try everything if you want to. But, having the mindset that sales goes against your code of ethics is a little closed minded. Plus, you can make A LOT of money in real estate if you have the personality for sales of any kind.

Lastly, if you make your clients on both sides of the business happy, that translates into referrals and ultimately more $$$. I'm not in real estate personally (advertising), but seeing yourself as someone that can help people rather than a conman is the difference between being a slimeball and a resource.

Two cents, bro. Good luck to you in your journey.

theunconquored · 2017-04-09T15:25:23+00:00

Take a look at the analyst/underwriter side of banking, especially related to commercial real estate.

The entry level of this involves a lot of research, analysis, due diligence, and written communication.

Banks need good underwriters to determine if people applying for these huge loans are credit worthy and if they property they are buying is a property that the bank wants to lend money against.

Also, commercial real estate companies that are acquiring properties need people to do the analysis of the deal that happens after they agree to buy a property but before they close on it.

If you're interested in that sort of thing, send me a PM. A good friend of mine has made a great living doing exactly this, I'm sure he'd be able and willing to chat with you and give you some more direction.

PastLifeGypsy · 2017-04-09T03:59:42+00:00

"I see a lot of people on here with high paying jobs"

It's kind of weird how almost everybody here is a CEO 100K/day guy, no?

Title	Question about careers
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