Red Pill Isolation

bankruptedcasino · 2013-07-01T18:21:38+00:00

I'll chime in because I've been in your position quite a bit.

The Anecdotes

First Group were my best friends in high school. I grew up in a typical suburban town of approximately 100,000 people, but most of my friends were very religious (i.e., no sex before marriage). I was not that way, so obviously that wasn't going to work long-term. When I got to college, most of them were pining for a wife while my ass joined a fraternity and did what typical frat guys do.

Second Group were my best friends from college. This one was tough because they all changed from TRP to Blue Pill once they got to their mid-20s and most men I looked up to as examples of Game turned into sniveling sods who became a pile of goo any time their SO asked them to do something or threatened to leave if they didn't acquiesce to their demands.

Third Group were my close friends in law school. See Second Group for what happened there.

Fourth Group is the current lot, but I expect half of them will act in conformity with the Second and Third Groups while the other half will continue to TRP but jet to greener pastures once they get matched in residency. I live in a big southern city that is not at all known for women that are easy on the eyes, so I'm sure lifetime TRP males will want to leave to a place that is a bastion of hot women who are susceptible to Red Pill advances. I, on the other hand, have found the Brass Ring of jobs and wouldn't leave it for anything--including a dearth of attractive women in my city--because to do so would compromise a huge sum of income potential over the course of my lifetime.

TL;DR I've been through what you're going through not once, not twice, but three times . . . and it's likely going to happen again in the next year or so. My advice should be able to help you.

The Solution

MWGTOW!! Do your own thing. Lifelong bachelors are chastised by society, but your Blue Pill friends sure won't be complaining about your individualism and freedom when they're shuttling kids to soccer practice every Saturday and taking orders from the wifey while driving home in the minivan. And they certainly won't be complaining when they get shafted by the long dick of the American judicial system that will impale them so hard in divorce court they'll swear they'll never set eyes on another woman again.

You must engage in activities that please YOU and YOU ALONE. Hang out with your Blue Pill friends if that's your fancy, but when my Blue Pillers started hanging out with women that treated them like employees, or when my Blue Pill friends started gushing about how fun it was to "stay in" on a Friday night to have a "movie night with my gf," I wanted to run to the nearest toilet and vomit my intestines out.

Activities that bring YOU joy are what's most important. Right now, that could be going to random bars and trying to bring a random woman home. Soon, though, that won't be fun anymore. So plan on engaging in activities that bring you joy and don't involve a massive hangover.

I highly encourage you to engage in activities that involve some sort of social element. Dance lessons, cooking class, co-ed sports, church functions (if that's your thing), work parties, networking events, charity work, etc.

You need to have an outlet for you to interact socially with people who are your age, because once your Blue Pill friends start putting a ring on it, you will be persona non grata (even more so when the Misses'es start popping out kids). This is part because married people like to have married people friends, parents like to have friends who are also parents, but also because your bachelor lifestyle will be considered a threat to the hamster-wives of your Blue Pill friends. You'll be bringing reports back from the field of greener pastures where you have wild sex with young women in the VIP lounges of clubs yonder while your Blue Pill homeboys have to sit around the house and deal with dirty diapers, "honey-do" lists, and a dead bedroom because domesticated life seems to suck out all the lust that was once in a thriving romance.

Loneliness, however, comes with the territory. I'll admit, it's hard for me to see my friends who are "boo'ed-up" look so happy and content, but then I remember that what they have is not what I want. If being with someone for life means taking orders from them and staying a hop-skip-and-a-jump out of trouble, then I'd rather ride out the loneliness of a life without women. BUT, because I have a dick, I need to get laid. So I engage in activities that make me feel fulfilled, focus on my career, and try and increase the odds of finding a plate at a social function that is not so heavily dependent on booze in the off-chance that my domesticated breaus will be unable to slam rando's at the club on Saturday night.

What's amazing with this process is that when you start saying "No" to the weekly Cranium board game festival at Shelly's house because you're tired of being the seventh wheel, you will feel a rush of adrenaline that will propel you into having the confidence to do what you want to do. And it is here where you will meet like-minded men later in life. You will gravitate toward things that push you out of your comfort zone, and the thrill of trying something so completely different will give you the confidence necessary to engage in conversation with guys who are doing the same thing but look like they have it together.

In the very slim chance that you don't meet like-minded men at hobbies and social events that are solely in your interests, you will definitely meet women who are interested in the same things you are. I have no desire to attend an indie rock festival and I hate live bands, so going to a Neutral Milk Hotel concert is probably not going to be for me -- BUT it might be for YOU, and if that's your thing, you'll find someone (guy or girl) who will be interested in that kind of stuff and bam instant connection.

This, of course, is all predicated on the fact that you are a natural alpha OR, if you're not, that you're capable enough of faking it 'til you make it. You need to be the leader of your cooking class, the charismatic showman of the art gallery opening, or the king of the hill at your church's social functions. The best way to do this is to engage in light-hearted conversation with everyone as soon as you show up. Name, occupation, age, whatever. Drop a couple jokes, make people laugh, and get a reputation as the "fun guy" who everyone wants to see at whatever it is that you're doing. Then start inviting them to social events that you plan because, if you've played your cards right, guys and girls will want to go where you're going because you're so much fun to be around. BAM new social circle. Rinse and repeat when your social group has fallen out of favor with you.

I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass. It's not easy. Having done it three times already, it's damn near impossible to shake off the rust of a comfortable group of friends in search of another group that brings you joy. However, it is likely more fulfilling than sitting around watching your Blue Pill friends circle the drain until they're flushed out of your life by the woman who owns them and keeps their dick in a jar under the sink.

And when the going gets tough, just remember my favorite exchange from the show Rules of Engagement:

Jennifer: "Aw, Russell, are you jealous you don't have anyone to spend Valentine's Day with?"

Audrey: [hamster smile with head nod of unabashed confidence]

Russell: "Oh yes, so sad. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go do whatever I want whenever."

Jeff and Adam: [forlorn looks at one another of a life that could have been].

TL;DR MWGTOW. Do things that you want to do, when you want to do them. Attend social functions/activities away from the bar scene that are in the areas that you are interested in. Engage in conversation with everyone, get a reputation as the "fun guy" who everyone wants to hang out with, start inviting a new social circle out to events away from the activity where you met them, and then you'll meet like-minded men later in life because the social circle you create is yours to choose who's in and who's out.

favours_of_the_moon · 2013-07-01T18:06:09+00:00

It's not that they "think you don't like their girlfriends."

What is happening is, the GFs are onto you. They don't want you putting ideas into the heads of their voluntary slaves.

I've been experiencing this for 20 years dude. Take up reading. LOL. Hobbies, passtimes are important.

THEREDPILL is not for pussies.

BeatYourBunssss · 2013-07-01T21:31:01+00:00

25 here and understand where you're coming from. For the past year, I've lived with a couple in two bedroom townhouse. I moved in with them because I accepted a job in their area and had no place to live within reasonable driving distance of work. The dude is 26 and has been one of my best friends since high school. She is 22, a college student and ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DREADFUL - manipulative, entitled, inflated sense of value, etc. They've been together about 2 years, and she has turned him from an athletic, pussy crushing good-looking motherfucker into a overweight, beta provider with very little hobbies and friends. He does everything - cooks, cleans, does the laundry, grocery shopping and pays most of her bills even though she makes about $1500 a weekend prancing around in a bikini at a local beach bar. When they're together they do nothing. When he's alone he does nothing except play vidya and watch TV. I ask him to go out with some of my other bros on weekends but he always declines saying how tired he is. This is a bullshit excuse, and wifey obviously told him NO YOU MAY NOT GO WHERE OTHER FEMALES MAY BE! Meanwhile she goes out 2-3 nights a week until the early morning hours.

Watching this girl take over my friends mind like some sort of alien parasite makes me want to vomit, but at the same time I'm thankful I got to observe it firsthand. The knowledge gained from watching this fucked up "experiment" from the outside and reading this sub has proved invaluable in dealing with women and their white knight servants.

Anyway, as most of the posts in this thread have stated you've just got to do your own thing. Do what makes you happy. Find a shit ton of different hobbies. You will meet interesting people through doing any activity you find enjoyable. I'm never at my house because I'm always out doing what I want to do when I want to do it. It really is fucking awesome.

DaddyMonster · 2013-07-01T22:30:10+00:00

I'm ambivalent about BP friends. Today, one of them said he couldn't do xyz because "the government" (his LDR girlfriend) was visiting him for a few days. I mean, ok if one wants to spend time with an LDR GF one doesn't see too often, but calling her "the government" (and he wasn't even joking) just makes me cringe.

I try to spend more time with my RP friend (one) and my purple pill friends than the BPs. When I do spend time with BP friends, I try to "rub off" on them a bit, but with mixed results...

Some joke about being cleverer than me because they "know to be nice to women", but it rings hollow when their girlfriends give me more respect than they give their boyfriends. Recently, at a house party, one of my friend's gf shit tested me with an unreasonable request in her boyfriend's presence. The same instant I said no, her bf jumped to do the request instead. I literally saw a disgusted flash in her eyes. She proceeded to emasculate him subtly and I saw how uncomfortable he was with it. Yet, he didn't call her out for it. Instead he laughed nervously. I cringed so bad.

egodidactus · 2013-07-01T17:26:07+00:00

I can relate but I have no answers really. What I try to do is distance myself from them now and again, go punch a bag, grapple with grown men, ride a motorcycle, climb a wall, hit on girls, mount a mountain or just do something challenging for my body and mind. Isolation can help with that.

Regarding discussing red pill theory outside of the internet, it's impossible, I've gotten over that. Now I just watch people mindfully and aware, with a specific toolbox in my hand.

Peffico · 2013-07-01T17:28:28+00:00

I think the problem is you are trying to preach the red pill to people who are having current success with the blue pill. They won't believe it will work because they already have the girl through their own blue pill way, so why should they change?

You honestly can't help them until the girl in question shatters their heart. Then you can go all Morpheus on them.

As for friends, I also think you are taking too much stock into the red pill for your friends. My two best friends are blue pillers all day, and aren't quite up to taking the red pill. But I like hanging out with them and doing things with these guys, because they are true friends, and are really fun to be around. Maybe one day they will ask me about the red pill, but until then I don't care what they do with women.

ekjohnson9 · 2013-07-01T18:01:30+00:00

Just let people be blue pill man. Be nice to the girlfriends and respect your friends enough to allow them to make shitty choices if they want. Don't become disillusioned. Live your life on your terms, their choices are not a reflection of you.

VeryWideDoucheNozzle · 2013-07-02T00:27:39+00:00

You come Alone in this world, you leave alone.

The sooner you accept that reality and start using it to your advantage, the better. If anything the

tyrryt · 2013-07-01T17:58:04+00:00

You just have to wait a bit - your friends are in the period of maximum manipulation, with the women playing compliant brides and watching over them like hawks to make sure they don't stray.

Eventually the guys will come around to your point of view. If not full red-pill, at the least once the women are locked-in (marriage, kids, etc.), the situation will change dramatically and your friends will be dying for opportunities to do things on their own.

2013-07-01T18:52:28+00:00

23 here, and i understand that predicament. It's stunning how quickly you want to isolate yourself when you really get to the core of who you want to be, and how it doesn't jive with those around you.

The first few months were a weird time for me, staying at home away from old friends, driving my car at midnight for no apparent reason. Being sad cause you can't really talk to many people about this without their own hamsters (or rationalizations for their current path, whatever you want to call it) going off to beat you back to the original mindset.

Couple things. You're not depressed. Don't label yourself that way. Yes, you are more alone than before, much like how a wolf is more alone than a heard of sheep going off a cliff. It's ok, just don't lose yourself in video games to escape the sadness or loneliness. Embrace it, and talk from the heart.

Over time you'll gain one, or two new friends that bring real value to you. I found a mentor after a couple months of just going alone, and it made a big difference.

Much like a diet, it may suck in the short term, but you have to keep your ultimate goals in mind, because when you reach them (in this case, 'real' new friends who bring TRP to a new level), you'll realize its worth.

2013-07-01T17:33:26+00:00

I was discussing the same issue with a friend, and he got the reason for that right: your friends just aren't ready.

It is lonely. But remember that existence is lonely the instant you have a very differing view to that of your peers. For e.g, you aren't going to have many friends as a devout Saivite in a town filled with Baha'is, especially if up until recently, you were Baha'i yourself.

I experienced this with my friends. We did a lot of growing up together, but the way I see it, we're now moving in different directions, and the end of our friendship is near. It's like being part of a TV show that still thinks it can salvage its reputation and make some more money when there really is no hope: it's done, and everybody knows it.

There's no way things work out unless they start thinking more like me, or I like them. And our difference in opinion is more than just red pill stuff. I love my friends, but I don't think this is going anywhere.

Sorry, I went off tangent at some point, but yeah, there's not a whole of people around who can subscribe to those views. On that note, we (this sub) are a minority, and on top of that, we are not a movement either. This is not some cult. We all take what we see here and do with it what we want. So, it's not like we're a unified community. (paraphrasing SoftHarem's recent thread)

musicvita25 · 2013-07-02T09:49:03+00:00

First of all don't panic.

Secondly, don't be jealous of people in a Blue Pill relationship, pity them.

Thirdly, use your brain. Read, focus on a project. Ive read a shit load even before TRP and I am now writing a novel. I can also play guitar for those super slow evenings.

Lastly, make your career what you want it to be. If you like soccer, work in soccer. If you like drinks, work in a bar. Build your career aswell and you'd be too busy with all going on to even care about loneliness.

KGlitz · 2013-07-02T10:43:15+00:00

Noob here: What is NAWALT?

2013-07-01T19:42:52+00:00

Same here.

I feel more distant from friends and family. On some level their blue pill situation just aggravates me more than anything; They seem prefectly happy in their misery and it only reflects past experiences of mine .

More importantly though, I guess taking the pill killed the last remnants of the '' girl next door '' fantasy that was subconsciously keeping me company; Some sweet , caring , comforting girl (and all that other crap) was out there, and i just needed to find her et cetera . But she doesn't exists , whatever it is that ill have to face it will be alone.

And that's the part that isolating; Not sure if i'd categorise this as loneliness , more like constricting anger and dread.

chiffonade- · 2013-07-01T20:55:43+00:00

I'm in my mid-20s

this is exactly when your your friends start making good, or terrible life decisions and there's nothing you can do about it either way.

harigeorgeson · 2013-07-02T16:45:43+00:00

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." -Nietzsche

jngshin · 2013-07-01T18:36:14+00:00

Red pill isolation sounds like the isolation everyone suffers from in moderm society in one way or another. Even the guys with girls are socially isolated, perhaps even moreso, from their friends, coworkers, and new girls.

All you can do is extend your comfort zone and start going out. Even alone if you have to. Watch Crazy Stupid Love if it feels absolutely daunting.

Title	Red Pill Isolation
Author	atlascrowed
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Date	July 1, 2013 4:37 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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