Rejecting all Pills.

Woompus · 2014-03-07T22:27:51+00:00

You missed the whole point. You're obviously an intelligent man, but I think you've let your arrogance get in the way. We're just normal guys from all walks of life trying to find a better way. Remember to see the forest through the trees.

Fitch0y · 2014-03-07T18:46:57+00:00

Your meaning of alpha is irrelevant.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/17xmry/acronym_and_glossary_thread/

Alpha – Leader. Somebody who displays high value, or traits that are valued by women. Alpha can refer to a man who exhibits alpha behaviors (more alpha tendancies than beta), but usually used to describe individual behaviors themselves.

Beta – Follower. Sombody who validates others, men & women alike. Beta traits display low value to women. Beta can also be used to describe individual behaviors.

In otherwords:

Alpha = makes vaginas tingle

Beta = does not make vaginas tingle

used to describe individual behaviors themselves

alpha behavior does not mean being alpha, which often just means high value/successful man.

noblepaladin · 2014-03-07T19:43:18+00:00

Life is full of incomplete information. You must make decisions based on whatever model you have in your mind, and you must adjust it as you receive more information. It is very easy to act all philosophical and claim intellectual superiority as an observer. I can watch a football game and point out tons of mistakes that the pro football players make, but it doesn't mean I can stand a chance on the football field (or even if I had the physicality to play at the pro level, it doesn't mean I could have done any better with a limited point-of-view and having to react in real time).

When you have incomplete information, you have to go with what is most likely to be true. Sure a scrawny Nobel Prize winning scientist can be alpha in his social group. But in general, scrawny people are less alpha than bigger people. If you walk into a room and you don't know anybody, you have to act with what information you can pick up and adjust as you gain more information. You will undoubtedly misjudge a lot of people. But you will have a better result than not judging at all.

This is actually perfectly normal and people do it all the time. It's just not politically correct to say. I'm sure you don't treat the bum on the street the same as you would treat a guy wearing a nice suit. You won't treat someone with a criminal history the same as someone who has a clean record (even though criminal could be perfectly reformed). Most successful people I know simply make slightly better judgments than most. It's like a casino playing the 51/49 odds. The house always wins in the end due to the law of large numbers. The gambler might have occasional success, he might even go home with several thousands of dollars in winnings on some days, but in the long run, all his disposable income goes to the casino.

There is no guarantee that you will get a high quality woman if you lift weights. There is no guarantee that you will have a high paying job if you go to an Ivy League school. There is no guarantee that money will make you more happy. There is no guarantee that you will have great relationships if you avoid single moms. But when people string many of these choices together, they tend to get positive outcomes. At the end of the day, TRP isn't about being right or wrong (factually or morally), it is about executing the best strategy given incomplete information. This is not like a football game where you can choose to be a simple observer and be able to watch from a wide camera angle with the aid of replays and slow motion. You have to be a player on field, you can't stop or pause. You have to make decisions on the fly when you can't see or know everything. Red Pill is one strategy of doing this.

rporion · 2014-03-07T18:30:52+00:00

Um...

All models are wrong, but some are useful. The Red Pill Model is the best I have found so far, but I would immediately ditch it if I found one that described reality better. Which, incidentally, would be very redpill.

Then, a lot of the language used is what it is, because those altnet geeks in the beginning where somewhat aspie types who tried to teach other somewhat aspie types how social interactions worked.

As best as they could describe them.....

Finally, you are making the beginner mistake of confusing alpha with "men I admire" or "a man I would like to be"...

No, its a mindset, someone who pursues his goals with a passion and a woman is either along for the ride or she can go for a hike.

Google Cory Worthington, this guy is a little shit, but he is pure alpha.

SillyAmerican · 2014-03-08T01:41:55+00:00

Perhaps I am not fixated enough with social-rankings and penis-productivity to grasp the conceptual and practical depths herein.

guess not. TRP is obviously below you. So what are you doing here?

Butimdifferent · 2014-03-07T21:45:21+00:00

You're missing the point of it all, man.

There may be a community from which we all gather information, but the goal is personal development. This is a tool shed. You take the tools you need and leave the rest. Right now, you have a hole to dig and have grabbed a rake.

You have an issue with how other people in the tool shed have selected their tools. Do not worry about the tools others are picking up.

Identify your problem, read here and absorb information, then take the information that applies to your problem and put it into action to improve yourself.

DoxasticPoo · 2014-03-07T18:29:29+00:00

Alpha/Beta as a way to describe a person makes sense as a continuum. To describe certain behaviors, it makes sense as a binary label.

And Red vs Blue pill makes sense because TBP directly contradicts what's usually believed on TRP. So it makes sense that they're be a dichotomy between the two.

I think maybe what you're having issues with is the vague definition of alpha/beta?

Can we really say a certain behavior is "alpha"? What made it that? And how frequently must a man behave as an "alpha" in order to be called that?

But ditching the argument doesn't make sense. Because it's here for a reason.

Refining and digging deeper seems like the way to go.

sergius_catiline · 2014-03-08T03:01:38+00:00

I usually just lurk here, but I felt the need to reply after seeing this post. As a disclaimer, I wouldn't describe myself as "living a RP-life", but I think your criticism is not based on a solid understanding of the message of this sub-reddit.

First of all, I think it is unfair to accuse the current RP theory, theory of game if you may say so, of being pre-fabricated and ad-hoc. Unlike history, for example, you do have a chance to go out and test directly the responses of members of the opposite sex to the strategies presented here. Note that I am not saying the field reports here are correct and truthful, or the theory here correctly predicts everything to a good degree of accuracy. I am just saying that the theory is built on the go by many people, and if you go out, apply the theory and see an unexpected result, you can always come here and discuss it to see if an assumption is uncalled for, if the execution was wrong, or if an axiom simply does not survive experiment.

Other posters have already described that you seem to be confusing what "alpha" and "beta" stand for here. Obviously, as different people's understandings are bound to be non-uniform, there might be some variance to the definition of the word. However, the generally accepted definition follows the one described in Rational Male. As for the skinny "weak" and unassertive man with a brilliant creative mind, your definitions of weak and unassertive might need be challenged there instead. Most, if not all, successful men are exactly those who can stand their ground against challenges. While those who let much slide might be relatively successful, they never seem to achieve top - making that position non-optimal in fulfilling anyone's full potential.

The idea of redpill versus bluepill might seem dichotomous, but that is because they were constructed as such. In turn, most people end up being shades of redpill and bluepill, and the terms are generally used to describe a way of thought or the nature of an action. Basically, the RP way of seeing things would be to constantly question what is going on and try to construct a systematic way of describing events (moreso social events, emphasis on heterosexual sexual interactions), as opposed to going with the much publicised way of "just going by the feelings". There is a reason STEM fields are called "redpill occupations" around here.

Now, you might say that people do not just say "go by your feelings", and they do have explanations for many things. But one thing I have observed, is that a lot of people outside this sub seem to be wording their advice in very vague terms, like "you should try more", "you should act natural", "you should treat the other person as a person". These are definitely not wrong, but they are either self-evident things that the person is already trying, or they just do not tell anything. Furthermore, the advice is usually laced with meaningless feel-good phrases like "there is someone for everyone", "you are good the way you are" and so on. The RP rhetoric is relentless and harsh, but I feel I have been able to explain a few things that I just wasn't able to understand before by reading up on here.

Also, if you want a discussion, you might want to not end your original post with a snark remark. Kind of undermines your point when you complain about other people responding with snark remarks.

rporion · 2014-03-07T20:31:56+00:00

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harkrank · 2014-03-07T21:55:07+00:00

Alpha is the word used to describe the man that is high enough in the hierarchy of the group in question that he becomes attractive to women.

Here's what it doesn't means: The strongest, the smartest, the most creative, the richest, the hardest-working, the most patient, the prettiest, the most loyal, the most honorable, the most analytical, the best fighter, the funniest, the most ruthless.

A lot of the times these men are alpha, but a man can lack any of these qualities and still be alpha of the group in question. In the past social dominance got you laid but also wealthy and influential. Today everything has changed, but women's sexual preference hasn't. That's why we talk about alphas and betas. It hasn't got to do with success for anything but with women. But alpha traits gives you higher chance of success with everything else as well.

someboringdude · 2014-03-08T02:25:46+00:00

We should come up with a term for dudes who revert back to beta ways.

Title	Rejecting all Pills.
Author	Robodroidbot
Upvotes	4
Comments	99
Date	March 7, 2014 6:19 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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