The difference between TRP and PUA game

trplurker · 2014-05-05T06:22:28+00:00

Oh yay more karma farming.

Horribly incorrect statement. "Game" is just learning social dynamics, behaviors and how to manipulate them to your advantage. Knowledge of this should be a stable in every man's toolbox, just like lifting and diet. PUA's are just people who've focused on learning and mastering this dynamic. You always have snake oils salesmen trying to sell you the latest greatest game / get rich / diet / lifting style to "get results fast", this isn't endemic to internet PUA's only and treating it as such is intellectually dishonest.

182fooz · 2014-05-05T14:27:44+00:00

The PUA movement is about imitating high status males. The TRP movement is about becoming a high status male.

nosesandsight · 2014-05-05T05:10:31+00:00

Yeah... gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on your dichotomy. But then again I'm involved in PUA so I might be biased ;)

PUA is focused on the implementation of core TRP philosophy. If you look at the consistent advice on threads, forums, and blogs, it's fundamentally TRP. Being outcome independent, abundance mentality, demonstrating value, etc... The community generally shuns gimmicks and BP tactics.

In fact, approaching and engaging girls is a really good self-test to how will you have internalized TRP beliefs. Being able to instinctually retain your frame when receiving some garbage from a girl is incredibly validating for a reformed BP. And, it let's you see where you still need to work based on how you fall back into older mental traps.

2014-05-05T08:22:16+00:00

One aspect I felt was accurate is that all (and by all I mean all four) of the guys I knew who tried the crap they 'learned' from The Pickup Artist was that they didn't seem to try to improve themselves as much as fake having done so. Maybe they were doing it wrong, but the attention whoring, terrible 'Peacocking' outfit... All of it seemed to be for the purpose of seeming more interesting without actually being more interesting.

I will never forget when this one chick, good looking girl who was all dolled up, actually asked me one of the guys was okay or if we should be concerned. He was all energetic, bouncing around motor-mouth chatting at every girl at the party, sweating, dancing, grinding all over the place. It was starting to irritate ME and I wasn't his target! I guess I wasn't the only one getting the wrong vibe.

RedPill has made my life better. One thing that appealed to me is the absence of the inherent (from my perspective) douche-baggery of Pickup Artistry. I accept that they're not COMPLETELY separate entities, but the feel to me was night and day.

2014-05-05T04:37:39+00:00

Nice, I needed to hear this.

I feel we sometimes get caught up between seduction community and what TRP truly is, it's about being a man- women are merely a bi-product. Seduction is about getting women, but in the end you have a skill that still revolves around women. I definitely came to this thread with the silly goal to get better with women and came away with how to be a man. It's like lifting - if we strive after looks, we probably will get them but there's no measureable goals, no satisfied results and in the end- it loses a lot of its meaning. If we approach it with just wanting to get stronger and challenge ourselves and break personal records without comparing ourselves to others, it'll be a much more lasting result and will keep our will power up to continue pursuing it for ourselves. The looks will come as a biproduct.

IIHotelYorba · 2014-05-05T13:07:11+00:00

Cool time for this post I guess. Both styles of game you describe are PUA material that come from different time periods.

-The "PUA" game you're talking about is game that comes from the Mystery Method era and earlier, when game was all about impressing the woman in the club.

-The "Red Pill" game came about slightly afterwards when Tyler and RSD were trying to come up with solutions to problems like guys getting girls but not being able to keep them, and every girl having heard their material. The solution was to "become naturally attractive" and be able to get girls by becoming an amazing guy rather than using amazing lines.

Anyone who cares to can readily go back through old PUA material and see the shift, and just when and how it went from routines and card tricks to inner game, becoming an alpha male, lifting, self improvement, etc. Beyond a few key contributions from guys like heartiste it's pretty much all been RSD.

RPSavant · 2014-05-05T17:06:14+00:00

I like GayLube's writing style, and he certainly has managed to whip up quite the shit storm in here.

Through high energy interaction.

This is fascinating. I have never heard the term but it does make sense.

slcjosh · 2014-05-05T04:56:43+00:00

Quality post, but I disagree with the alcohol comment. I found TRP from Pua.

A lot of the game that is run focuses on clubs and bars and that type of culture, sure. There is also a lot of focus on day game and meeting women in public, where booze is not involved.

All of it led me on a path of self improvement, to TRP. It served its purpose for me.

2014-05-05T05:54:13+00:00

One of the best short descriptions of TRP and PUA I've seen.

Too bad BPers will still say TRP is PUA/manipulation/tricks/gambits/trying hard and never works. It's been explained to them countless times, but logic doesn't get rid of their hurt feelz.

del_sull · 2014-05-05T07:23:05+00:00

Plot twist: PUA/Seduction can be one of the many hobbies you choose as a RP'r. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to dominate that hobby and get better at it every day.

cooltrip · 2014-05-05T13:48:26+00:00

TRP = Alpha = Anatomical Alphaness/fitness/handsomeness, basing your confidence = no game (game of no game; only your own hobbies and interests) = bad boy = game is for women, who will follow you and beg you, and will take all the efforts and steps; you treat women cruelly = treating women BAD, because you CAN.

PUA = beta = game = nice guy and worthless beggar = game is for betas = treating women NICE, because it's your only CHANCE.

(This is why I don't understand that we speak of "game" on r/TRP; game is only for betas and women)

2014-05-05T04:54:07+00:00

It is so much more efficient to focus on girls who are already into you, than to believe that if you can DHV and tease perfectly, you can get that one girl.

PlusGoody · 2014-05-05T11:49:51+00:00

TRP is about accepting reality on the way to having a good life. One small subset of that is to acknowledge women are above all attracted to status. PUA / game is one small subset of that subset: a list of behaviors which are counter-intuitive for many men in terms of the female perception of status which they elicit, often independent or contrary to a man's actual status.

knowledge that true status notwithstanding, there are some behaviors which, counter to many men's intuition, many women perceive as high status or low status and techniques to exhibit the latter and avoid the former.

GayLubeOil · 2014-05-05T12:08:15+00:00

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bjjJason · 2014-05-05T19:18:59+00:00

Game and PUA encompass Red Pill strategies, and recognizes them as long term routes.

Within game also lies short term strategies to farm pussy. Not sure where you're getting 'relies on alcohol' nonsense. Your entire PUA definition is seething with negativity.

What's more Red Pill than seeing a woman that makes your pants feel tight, walking up to her for a chat with a high percentage to end up fucking her > wife'ing her > whatever you want to her.

OP is almost anti concern trolling.

willtopower2014 · 2014-05-05T21:33:43+00:00

The greatest PUA's of all time, for example Mystery and Tyler Durden, have infield videos proving their success with women. You do not.

And until you do, it would be quite wise to avoid comparing yourself with them. Just a little friendly advice.

edmproducerXX · 2014-05-06T04:45:42+00:00

Why did you remove your post ? Do you post to gain reddit karma ? Is that all you want ?

bradyo2 · 2014-05-05T09:11:13+00:00

PUA is some cheesy gay shit.

I'm not saying it doesn't have it's benefits, and practicing approaches on women is great for improving your confidence - but I just can't stand all the corny lines.

The random, unnecessary kino and terrible pick-up lines just makes everyone sound like an uncomfortable neckbeard reading from a script.

I much prefer the TRP concept that YOU are the prize, and you're not talking to the woman with the hope that you'll get laid after. At the end of the day, doing this is still pandering to women's needs and is an inherently beta action.

aOs_Student · 2014-05-05T06:12:55+00:00

This is where I agree to some degree but not completely. PUA can still be implemented during the day time and you don't have to be necessarily drinking to pull it off either. Still, I wouldn't have found TRP without PUA so I really can't hate on PUA for doing that for me.

charlesbukowksi · 2014-05-05T06:57:41+00:00

Seduction is in a very real sense becoming keenly aware of yourself, your mark, their relative station, and the cues they give off. All of these skills transfer in most professional context, but especially the ones dealing with people - which tend to pay more.

It's not coincidence the beloved author of the 48 Laws of Power also wrote a book on seduction.

GayLubeOil · 2014-05-05T06:23:06+00:00

The assessment of PUA is entirely accurate, though I will add that social competence is a significant part of taking control of your life, so there /is/ some synergy between PUA material and TRP.

Reading the Mystery Method material helped me to understand social competence better, and helped me to realize that there is a subtext to every interaction. So many times you hear "It's not what you say, but how you say it."

Some Red Pill people naively assume that if you're in shape and have money, social competence will naturally and spontaneously be achieved. This isn't true because, even if you've got health and wealth in order, you've still probably got 20+ years of feminist programming to undo.

__ROOSTER__ · 2014-05-05T05:00:19+00:00

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magical_artist · 2014-05-05T06:12:53+00:00

I do not agree 100%.

PUA: Is about social dynamics and practices. Male/female interaction. It covers body language, humor, story-telling, misc. ways of demonstrating higher value, evolutionary principles and mate selection processes. There is the superficial layer you speak of, but there are scholars (ex: David DeAngelo is a very well read gentleman), that definitely appeal to developing inner game, and most-if-not-all of these redpill ideas. Good PUA theory will require redpill elements to be congruent, and not alert a sober woman in the long run.

Redpill: Good redpill theory, requires strong social skills and the ability to distract women with shiny conversation, PUA skills. But, I think most things PUAs artificially create, can come across naturally simply by having strong inner frame, maturity, and passions.

My $0.02

wendysNO1wcheese · 2014-05-05T12:04:06+00:00

Where does posting a meme pic like that fall on the alpha/beta spectrum? I'm thinking either on the 16 year old no pussy getting kid or 34 year old no pussy getting guy spot.

2014-05-05T12:07:41+00:00

TRP = lecture PUA = lab

TRP teaches one the principles of sexual dynamics. A good PUA will show you how to apply those principles out in the field.

circlhat · 2014-05-05T14:41:26+00:00

TRP and PUA share many of the same concepts , PUA promotes natural game meaning you should become the person you are emulating.

TRP promotes the same thing, although it says wait until you get your life together which is stupid, you can always talk to girls even if just for practice.

PUA focuses on words and conversation ,this could be very helpful at TRP as it gives you a base on what to say and you can tweak it to your situation.

My point is take what you can use from both and discard what you can't

GayLubeOil · 2014-05-05T21:49:27+00:00

PUA is like sales and marketing. TRP is developing a better product.

Both will help increase sales of the product, for different reasons. They aren't mutually exclusive. Make your product the best on the market AND do a good job convincing people that it is.

CommanderAmerica · 2014-05-05T05:28:39+00:00

TRP all the way! I'm not half the man I'm determined to be and I can already see a noticeable improvement.

It's hard to not make this sounds douchy so down vote if I've un-calmed your tits.

I feel like my manitude has gained me respect. Not just with my inner circle of friends but with co-workers, chicks, and even total strangers after some small talk.

PUA is a waste of OUR time, plain and simple. IMO of course

nechoha · 2014-05-05T04:26:58+00:00

Your descriptions fit, but I still struggle to see the advantages of PUA over any time period of dedication. I know that I've been on trp for a few month and still a fledgling but what are some (if any) permanent advantages from PUA into any other realm of a man's life? With trp you already show finding your own interests, building your health/fitness, and developing your own person.

GayLubeOil · 2014-05-05T04:49:07+00:00

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2014-05-05T06:21:17+00:00

" that if your unattractive and/or not confident, no woman will"

you're, not your

Good post though.

Title	The difference between TRP and PUA game
Author	GayLubeOil
Upvotes	14
Comments	91
Date	May 5, 2014 3:51 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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