This Red Pill stuff is bloody difficult sometimes.

Brandwein · 2014-08-11T15:01:51+00:00

Fucking girls is all well and good, but how is this world going to change? Will it ever?

The world is not going to change. Accepting that is part of trp.

If you want to change society you should go to /r/mensrights. Pro-tip: You will not achieve anything.

The only thing that could change the world would be if the majority of men swallowed the red pill. This would have a bigger impact on our society than advocating for men and "activism".

Not being a beta bux is the best thing you can do to make the world a better place. For us and our children!

redpillbanana · 2014-08-11T14:36:20+00:00

One thing to remember is that what people say and what they do are often completely at odds with each other. If you've ever listened to a ONS as you're taking her home, you can see this in action.

She'll say things like:

Why are we going to your place?
What are we going to do there?
Do you live alone?
I don't know you very well yet
It's kind of late, I should be going home
Do you bring many girls home like this?
Are you going to try anything with me?
I don't go home with a guy on the first night
You must do this all the time, you're very sure of yourself
Are you going to call me afterwards?

In this case, her logical brain is doing the talking, and these are all good questions/statements, but her emotional brain is doing the the walking as she follows you to your place.

For most people, the logical arguments won't cut it - you need to appeal to their emotions. For women, this means that you will need to DHV and be in a position where she respects you, even while she calls you an asshole.

TheSKSpecial · 2014-08-11T14:16:26+00:00

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RedPill4LYF · 2014-08-11T16:25:56+00:00

Trust me, if there is anyone in this thread with experience arguing with Feminists on any level, it's this guy. If any readers here are harboring the fantasy that they're going to convince a Feminist that they are mentally ill and retarded for thinking what they think, you're wasting your time. By all means, have your fun experimenting with reason and logic. Watch as the Feminists dance around points, introducing arbitrary topics to avoid answering questions, and generally proving themselves to be completely unreasonable crazy people. They will, every time.

No matter how nice and smart you think they're being at first, if you argue with one on the net, it's sure to be hilarious.

The best is when they attempt to shame you by quoting you out of context and your name gets plastered on TBP. I'm a god damn celebrity in there, my name has been at the top so many times. And it's because I'm right, I'm just, I'm reasonable, and logical.

The reason I found myself at the top of their charts like a teenage heartthrob in a top 40 radio countdown so often is because reason and logic is the enemy of Feminism. Don't you see now? The men who make the most logical sense are the biggest enemies. They MUST find a way to demonize you. They will throw everything in their power to try to stamp out your masculine pride. Too late, bitches. I took the red pill, and now the mysteries of the feminine are no more.

Unfortunately, it was all just a big waste of time. Sure, I had some yucks, and it was edifying to learn more about how Feminists argue, if only so it becomes easier to checkmate them, but ultimately, I didn't accomplish much more than proving to myself that I had been right all along. But I knew that going in. I think if you're a reader here at TRP, then of course that goes without saying for you as well. Still, if you feel the need to argue with Feminists, the hamster cage is just a click or two away.

You must understand that some people will not see the light. Let go. Lead by example. Show the world TRP is legit without saying a thing. Actions speak louder than words.

sir_wankalot_here · 2014-08-11T14:23:42+00:00

Don't waste your time getting into circle jerk arguments in real life. That is what reddit is for :-)

I'm not very good at this, and in recent months since taking the pill I have stopped agreeing with everything a female says about the great evil that is masculinity and have started arguing with them.

If it is a half assed looking female agree and amplify while dropping sexual hints. Or do some push/pull.

If it is male, ignore it.

niczar · 2014-08-11T14:53:17+00:00

Unfortunately I now realise that debating a feminist as a man is like debating a Jehovah's witness as an atheist. Rationality isn't important, you can't win. I fucking hate this.

You can't argue with them. It's pointless and serves no purpose whatsoever.

But you can agree & amplify. You can laugh in her face. And that will get you laid.

SoSaltyDoe · 2014-08-11T15:48:43+00:00

Pick your battles man. Truthfully, arguing with someone over differing opinions is pointless 99% of the time. You shouldn't take any shit, but don't go into a conversation with the intention on converting anyone.

improve_myself · 2014-08-11T17:19:25+00:00

Make the changes within your life, lead by example. Don't waste time arguing their illogical points, state your thoughts and get on with your life.

johnnight · 2014-08-11T20:50:56+00:00

How do we reconcile not even trying to change the minds of feminists

You don't. Changing anybody's political views always has a bad Return on Investment.

TheReason13 · 2014-08-11T23:46:34+00:00

This is the one reason above all as to why MGTOW express so much disdain for MRA's. The next time you see a dog, try to discuss philosophy with it. Its impossible. Trying to reason with a feminist is similar, but not impossible, it is their herd like group mentality that makes it impossible.

There is an image of manhood ingrained in all of us regardless of gender, and that is that men are not supposed to complain and argue, they are supposed to take charge and solve what ails. Ill go so far as to say we are programmed to feel disgust for men who complain about circumstance, as opposed to feeling great respect for men who see circumstance and take charge to overcome it.

MGTOW believe that the moment you entertain a bitching feminists arguments, you lose. They intoxicate themselves on the blind emotion that comes with testing manhood, trying to break them. The emotional roller coaster is what they seek, whether it is negative or positive emotion does not matter. Whether they are right or wrong does not matter.

Why? Because they win either way, its one big shit test. The female imperative is not to resolve a debate logically, but to "win over the crowd" by appealing to emotion. They "win" the debate with fallacies, ad hominems and screaming over a mans voice, the shit test is failed and she gets a positive emotion orgasm by doing what all women crave, to break a man with shit tests.

Or they lose the debate with a man who knows how to handle himself around a bitching feminist, she is humiliated, corrected, beaten, and she gets a negative emotion orgasm by getting what all women crave, to be forced into submission by a "Real Man", man enough to pass her shit tests, he is impenetrable, an oak tree, what is that tingling she feels in her panties? Let's test him again

Either way they get what they want, they become more powerful, because they feed off the attention. How to remedy this? Ignore them completely. Don't complain, don't argue, don't care. Instead do what we were meant to, what men of the ages always did, ignore the female, ignore her opinions and laugh at her appeals to emotion, withdraw from their bitching, withdraw the drug that is your attention, withdraw the ultimate reward that is your emotional reaction to a shit test, withdraw chivalry, withdraw your labour and resources, be absolutely emotionally disconnected from them and go your own way.

Concern yourself with resolving the issues of men with logic and reason as men have done for thousands of years, and let the women bitch among themselves. Eventually, when the corpses are piled up and the failures, lies and fallacies are too obvious to hamster away, they will play the victim and look to the man to clean up their mess.

MRA's don't realize that the feminist monster feeds off their attention, the feminists see them complain and sense weakness. They sense potential drama, potential for and emotional roller coaster ride. So they attack, and win or lose, the feminists always win. Unless we do what our ancestors did and withdraw.

Go our own way and focus on being a man, being happy, free and independent, being proud of our masculinity and our unmatched capacity for reason and logic, aggression, risk, competitiveness, principals and honour.

kick6 · 2014-08-11T18:50:10+00:00

There are ways to change their mind, you just can't reason with them. You have to attack them emotionally. A good start would be to reply to their feminist assertions with phrases like "that's not very feminine" or "that's not attractive on you." And you may get some backlash, but it DOES hit home for them.

busior · 2014-08-11T20:35:46+00:00

There's nothing you have to do. Just live your life to the fullest, enjoy good food, drink, bitches and hobbies... Don't get married and avoid supporting the parasitic system through taxation. Soon the world will be on fire as feminism will collapse the society and the economy.

demilitarizdsm · 2014-08-11T21:42:36+00:00

TV and commercials? - Well thats a blessing in disguise, read more books.

And being demystified by their affections and having short lived interests? GOOD! There is more to life then women.

And if you really up you game, make money and get into travel you'll find one of the remaining places in this world you don't have to RP so hard.

Ochreata · 2014-08-11T23:59:51+00:00

You can't force change, it must be organic. Just become a living example and watch others around you follow.

TheReason13 · 2014-08-12T10:44:24+00:00

Arcphalt don't be naive, there is no evidence that neanderthals are extinct, the same way that there is no link between humans and our hominid ancestors. That's why they are still looking for "the missing link." Tribal communities, especially nomadic ones, have never needed women for anything else but domestic purposes, which is not a survival necessity. The women however need males for all that is most basically necessary to survive. Ugly but true.

The idealism has always been attractive, as communism was, but the feminist imperative of gender equality only works on paper. The reality is much more unforgiving as it always is. They have evolved to rely on men for sustenance, to rely on men to shield them from the harshness of reality, to raise children.

If one considers a woman's evolutionary standpoint, the feminist imperative becomes clear. Their minds have not evolved to deal with the harsh truths of reality. They sue police and military that attempt to uphold a standard of physical ability they simply can't keep up with.

Its no secret that males are naturally superior to women, it is what nature intended. This is a reality that females struggle with, their solution is to try and censor mother nature. That's not gonna happen.

A simple example would be survivor, have you seen how heavily the female rely on male shelter, protection and resources? If they don't get it from the males it is provided to them by the show host, while the men are left to their own devices without difficulty. The host will provide the females with almost any advantage to even out the field, including handicapping the male group in challenges that require physical prowess, dexterity or mental acumen.

Stealthy_Lehninger · 2014-08-12T14:01:50+00:00

Like the top post says, RP isn't about changing the world, it's about changing you.

RP isn't a community as such, it's just teaching the psychological reality of the situation. Take it how you will.

What a lot of RPers seem to forget is that we're not bros. The bros before hoes nonsense makes me laugh; if lying to some bird that I'm way into feminism means that I get to fuck her and some RPer who goes around being openly RP doesn't, that doesn't make me a traitor. It just means I won. The moment I let said bird control is me is the moment I'll lose.

RP is accepting that it's you vs the world, and most people can't handle that.

TheReason13 · 2014-08-12T17:20:27+00:00

Valid points Shakethesh, technically every animal on the evolutionary tree is missing a transitional fossil. That only proves that it cannot be proved or disproved, and the lack of archaeological evidence means no basis or grounds for debate for either creationists or evolutionists. Yet new transitional fossils are still being found, so it is naturally in both creationists and evolutionists best interest to keep searching. And that was exactly my point, that Arcphalt's assertion has no basis for debate for lack of evidence.

And on domestic survival necessity, I point out that in any community, tribal or civilized, the male role is far more valuable in terms of survival and production. Males build and create, females help to maintain in any way they can.

TheReason13 · 2014-08-12T22:15:40+00:00

Shakethesh I think as a rational community we all agree that Darwin was correct in his observations, its obvious. For the sake of making my previous point consider the following.

1) If I were to assume the stance of creationism opposing Darwins evolutionary theory, I could say that if you assert that evolution occurs gradually then there must be evidence to prove this in the form of fossilized remains that clearly displays the gradual process of slow evolution. However there are gaps in the fossils on record that fail to clearly display the ongoing transition from homo habilus to homo erectus to homo sapien. Therefore there is poor evidence to disprove creationism.

1A) If you were to say that transitional fossils don't exist you would be correct, transitional progress is ongoing and can't be isolated with a single fossilized finding. Obscurely, this falls within favor of 1.

1B) Yet you would be wrong in that if we found remains that connects one species to another, that remains will represent a transition from one species to another. Obscurely, this falls within favor of creationism because based on 1A it fails to display ongoing transition and compliments 1.

1C) I could say that there is evidence that neanderthals became extinct because no fossilized remains can be found after a certain period. You could argue that a lack of remains does not prove the extinction of neanderthals, but begs the question of whether they have evolved into some unsuspected species or perhaps inter-bread with our ancestors. This complements 1, 1A and 1B.

This is a simple example of the fallacious paradox that creationists use to maintain their beliefs. We know they are wrong but lack of evidence proves they are not necessarily wrong, and asserting that they are wrong would be just another logical fallacy for them to misrepresent.

The debate between creationists and evolutionists is a futile one and can only end in paradox.

This was my original point earlier when addressing Arcphalt's baseless assertions.

Arcphalt · 2014-08-11T14:13:27+00:00

How do we reconcile not even trying to change the minds of feminists (because of the futility) with the belief that we will come out on top in the end? Fucking girls is all well and good, but how is this world going to change? Will it ever?

The ultimate issue is that male status is earned, while female status has traditionally been ascribed by biology. A male right-of-passage usually involves some physical trial, while a female right-of-passage usually involves waiting for her to start bleeding out of her jizzbucket. Culture needs to either advance to the point where female status is earned and not ascribed, and actually begin the process of true social equality, or regress to women being solely of ascribed status so they can get back in the kitchen and stop voting. Untill then, society is stuck in an award twilight of social justice mixing the worst parts of ascribed and earned status for women, while ignoring the inherent right of men to simply exist.

Also, a little off topic, but:

The genuine uses of slut-shaming

I don't feel that slut-shaming is ever constructive. You can't really blame a woman for wanting to have casual sex, because if you're the type of person who enjoys casual encounters, sex is really, really enjoyable, and it's good for your mental wellbeing.

Title	This Red Pill stuff is bloody difficult sometimes.
Author	shakethesh
Upvotes	25
Comments	48
Date	August 11, 2014 12:00 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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