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Wake the Fuck Up

IllimitableMan

December 30, 2013
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Title Wake the Fuck Up
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IllimitableMan

Upvotes 74
Comments 53
Date December 30, 2013 12:59 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
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Comments

[–]BIG_Daddy_Government 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i enjoyed this read. mental warfare arsenal is too true. i had a theory back then that women, when married with a husband that shows alpha traits tend to be control freaks when it comes to their children. if they can't control their husbands they lash out on their children controlling their lives. Too many people on this earth have faith with modern women when all they do is cause tragedy after tragedy in relationships. starting from poor choices ending in poor choices.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Nice rant, but:

...most women are great to children, it’s a damn shame they can’t treat men with that same love and sacrifice.

Old Schopenhauer said women (mentally designed for children) remain children their entire lives. This doesn't however make them 'great' for children; especially not for boys past infancy as this video illustrates. Mothers should have greatly reduced say in household affairs and child-raising in general "for the sake of children".

[–]riskrowe 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They're great at connecting with the children and playing with them and teaching them like an older sister would, but when the boys reach puberty it's time for dad to take over.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The age of reason according to canon law is pegged at seven years.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Old Schopenhauer

I love this guy.

especially not for boys past infancy

I concur, it's somewhat past the scope of the intent of the post, however.

Mothers should have greatly reduced say in household affairs and child-raising in general "for the sake of children".

Most definitely with young boys.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No need to test her mettle, they are all like that and there are no unicorns. They may act like one for a while, but as soon as her perception of you is lower than herself or someone else, she will be off riding cocks. You can't trust a female to be honest, loyal, or faithful, you simply can't.

[–]1PaulRivers10 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol, let me ask you a rhetorical question - if you started dating a girl, then she gain 100lbs, suddenly had a borderline mustache, and started smelling terrible - even if she was your wife, how long do you think your loyalty would actually last?

You might force yourself to stick with her if you had kids, and she was the victim of some terrible tragedy - she was struck by a car while crossing the road, horrible surgery, medical issues, etc etc...

But what if it wasn't? What if she just got settled in, stopped exercising, started gorging on food, and stopped showering? What if, yeah, she was having a tough time at work, but she refused to quit here job, etc etc?

You'd be outta there. It doesn't matter what you say now, unless you're fairly asexual so you don't care about her attractiveness - you wouldn't be loyal to her either.

It gets a little absurd to expect her to be more loyal to you than you would be to her. The "unicorn" is to find one where who you are and who you like being turn her on.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My second wife isnt what most would call cute. She was skinny and that's about it. I liked who she was, her personality, the way she thinks. She was homely enough to be a virgin at 21, yet the physical part didn't bother me, even when guys would make barking noises around her. She loved to fuck and often commented on how well we fit in all aspects of life. I'm not shallow, but apparently she is.

I restored a car as a gift for her dad after he helped me because I got fucked up on deployment to OIF and a medical discharge. The paint fumes got past my respirator and jacked up my lungs for a few months. Right as I got past it, she decided to take off with a kid 7 years younger than her, who is even more desperate than she is. We would have been together ten years this month, but I kicked her out back in May for cheating.

She isn't the first to do that shit, but she is the last. Thought she was different, but she is a worthless loser that fits her new boyfriend perfectly, because they are equally worthless. Everyone who knows him hates him, so really he did me a favor by taking her ass off my hands because she was sponging up most of my income.

[–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow...really sorry to hear that. :-(

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm only sorry I spent so much of my life and money on her. Flying to Germany would have been cheaper, better beer, and way hotter women to fuck.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

German sausages are gorgeous too.

[–]pcadrian9 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

As harsh as all this stuff may sound, everything that IllimitableMan talks about is 100% backed up by my own experience, and I literally mean EVERYTHING. The selfishness, self-interest, and the small proportion of unicorns (which from my observation is actually less than 3-5%!) are the norm.

a lot of you think you can use red pill philosophy to make yourself desirable to a woman and then go fuckoff to your masturbatory Disney fantasy

God fucking damnit. I'm so funny you brought this up, because over the past week or so, after weeks of me thinking I finally got it, I started to wake up to this very reality you mention. It's like red pill phase #2. This is so spot on, it's like you're spying on me or something.

[–]1FloranHunter 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Look, here’s an exercise for you. Next time you’re with a woman you think is hot, talk to her with your eyes shut or just not looking at her (she can’t even be in your peripheral vision) see how you interact with her and what you think of her words when you’re not constantly bombarded by her beauty, scientists have said a hot girls face has similar effects on the male brain to cocaine. Google it if you care enough. Female beauty intoxicates males, it stops you thinking correctly. If you used nothing but logic and scientific suspicion you’d have no internal struggle in dealing with women, you’d see them clearly for what and who they are.

With some training, you can turn off the part of your mind that specifically interprets faces. What's weird is that old men are actually the best-looking because their faces are the most interesting. Most attractive women look weird. Especially "cute" women. Basically all children regardless of population look similar (though like small apes) while adults have more variety by population.

The best way to find out if a woman is “secretly” fucking bonkers on your hunt for a unicorn is to really fuck her off (do it, on purpose) and see what tactics she starts throwing at you from her mental warfare arsenal. When she’s mad she can’t control herself so you’ll get to see the real core of who she is. If she starts twisting things, gaslighting you, threatening you or anything like that… red flag, next the bitch she’s not worth the hassle no matter how nice the hole is or how much you’ve come to like her. Do not ignore huge red flags like this. If she just cries, apologizes or basically doesn’t do anything deeply head fucking, you’re probably safe, but you need to discern what she’s capable of.

This is so fucking true. If a girl goes insane or even mildly malicious during a breakup, she will rape you in a divorce. It's negative feelings and potential gain x1000.

[–]a_n_v 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Hi, I've been working on your first point lately. I find it fascinating. (faces)

Can you recommend any good resources?

Thank you.

[–]1FloranHunter 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm afraid I cannot offer any specific external resources, just some advice.

The general principle behind this technique is to practice introspection. Eventually you may learn to isolate your thoughts and learn why you think what you think; the real reasons, not the rationalizations we learn as children when we tell ourselves stories of our day. You can actually record your thoughts as impressions as you have them and look back over them. There is danger in over-confidence skewing your memory here but for me it has been worth the risk.

The specific principle when I change to seeing faces as objects is like a switch being turned off. The usual way I flip this switch is to analyze a face as if I were analyzing an ape or some other non-human animal. I try to turn off my sympathy and analyze the person as a whole as if they were alien. This has the effect of pushing body language into the forefront of my mind, with facial expressions merely an extension of body language.

When I try to understand animals, I imagine myself in their place. I simulate common and general goals that they are likely to have like the desire to impress a potential mate, ward off a predator, intimidate a rival, or even give up the chase in despair and be consumed. I do the same with humans when I flip this switch. I imagine myself as if I had their facial and body features and what they seem to represent to others. To be clear, I am not activating my sympathy in the straight-forward way humans do when trying to understand others, where we actually try to directly feel as others do. Instead I try to accurately pretend to feel as others do. Like wearing a person's face and mannerisms as a mask instead of transforming my face into their face.

I'm afraid I can't offer better advice since I've never tried to teach this to anyone before. If you have success, please tell me what worked for you.

[–]a_n_v 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Great response. Thank you kindly!

[–]1FloranHunter 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're welcome :)

[–]_whistler 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To be clear, I am not activating my sympathy in the straight-forward way humans do when trying to understand others, where we actually try to directly feel as others do. Instead I try to accurately pretend to feel as others do.

Holy fuck. This is a pretty good description of the way I read people, too. Did you develop this from some school of thought, or did you just start doing it on your own?

[–]1FloranHunter 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I started doing it on my own as part of my purposeful effort to become wiser.

[–]_whistler 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You and I seem to be treading similar paths. Glad to know you're here on this sub.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article really placed things in perspective for me. He pinpointed some essential manipulations that I have experienced first hand.

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's aggressive, not vitriol. I don't hate women despite their massive shortcomings, I accept their limitations and I desire all the deluded idiots who read TRP to do the same. Accept reality, stop accepting lies. If the proposed vitriol is truth, is it vitriol (which suggests its false and based on personal issue) or is it aggressively delivered truth? To be vitriol it has to be incorrect. Aggression is nothing more than a delivery system here so that people pay attention and boy, has it served it's purpose well. Ponder that. There's more than surface level dynamics going on here.

[–]lulsause00 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I saw this posted as a comment in another thread, and it frightens me that this was upvoted so much. Especially with the recent influx of new users, the tone of IllimitableMan's article paints trp in an incredibly bitter light. He seems to believe that this type of behavior is somehow limited to women or that they are somehow born with a form of irredeemable original sin.

I have been lurking TRP for about 3 months now as it is the only good subteddit on this ultra liberal website, but i never been so opposed to something posted here before. I will even go so far as to use the dreaded M word and label this article as mysoginistic to a degree. If i see this type of mentality fester much further, i will ultimately abandon this board and find my own way to continue my journey to become redpill

[–]CptDefB 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you not relate to that anger?

The anger isn't at women.

The post is titled, "Wake the Fuck Up".

I think that aggression was directed, like the message, at men.

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[–]Oniichan_Overload 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

^ concern trolling at its finest here

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Classifying all those who disagree as part of some group of 'trolls' isn't wise.

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[–]le_king_falcon 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The articles tone is very vitriolic indeed but the core point is true. Doing your due diligence before exposing yourself is common sense.

You may see it as pussified shit testing. However it serves its purpose, you want a good fulfilling relationship? Then you best know her boundaries and her arsenal. Then you can learn how to deflect and weather that storm and have a happier life.

I've been with girls who 95% of the time seem like grade A gold dust unicorns but when pushed correctly are absolute monsters. If they can behave that badly at 18-25 when life is rosy and they are beta worshiped all day every day, then I do not want to be anywhere near them around the wall or if any stressing factor hits them.

This sub contains plenty of whining and some outright hateful rants on women but there are nuggets of gold everywhere. Treat it as a toolbox and take the tools you need for your life and you'll appreciate the power available to you. This article is a tool you might dislike but being able to see the oft hidden core of a potential mate is worth its weight in gold even if you find it distasteful as a method.

[–]smilingjester -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The premise is good, but I don't agree with the reaction. I can explain why, but i'm not sure it's necessary.

You are right though, i think i'll take the perspective of "finding gold nuggets"

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[–]gg_s 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What are you doing? Don't try to sell TRP or encourage someone to "give it a chance" unless you are prepared to accept responsibility for their outcome.

If someone gets the wrong idea about TRP, let them go. If the rough edges injure their delicate sensibilities, let them go. Their minds are not ready yet.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If the rough edges injure their delicate sensibilities, let them go.

Yes. Sensibility is a weakness that restrains you. The fact so many posters think I'm bitter is merely a manifestation of an inability to understand that saying things aggressively gets them to pay attention in the first place, if it didn't sound aggressive and have a provocative title a lot of people wouldn't have even give it the time of day.

This is the only "aggressive piece" i've done and it's interesting that despite the feelings its hurting its been more read than anything else I've written, including the very helpful stuff on developing your machiavellianism, which by all means, is much more beneficial to the improvement of a mans interpersonal relationships with women than anything else. In fact, it is the bread and butter of handling women (and men too!) It is thus with ado I can conclude that many of you still value and are affected more by emotion than actual truth. That is a sad realisation. Value truth above all else and the rest will become clear, delivery system (aggressive writing style) aside.

[–]1PaulRivers10 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The fact so many posters think I'm bitter is merely a manifestation of an inability to understand that saying things aggressively gets them to pay attention in the first place, if it didn't sound aggressive and have a provocative title a lot of people wouldn't have even give it the time of day.

Aaaaaaaaand now you're into the realm of just doing the same stupid things as modern feminism does. Painting the outliers that really should tick people off as the common factor, like here -

They are totally flawed by nature of their inability (or reluctance) to conceptualise the fairness of reason as an abstraction.

I think this is bullshit when feminists do it, I think it's bullshit when red pillers or mra's do it, I think it's bullshit when anyone does it.

The Red Pill truth is - do you know why guys have realize all this is bullshit? Because women wouldn't have sex with guys who were believed in it. Like it or not, while women are responsible for feeding us the crap, they're also responsible for causing men to realize that it's the crap that it is because they wouldn't sleep with men who bought into it.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is most likely the only interaction I'll have with you.

Aaaaaaaaand now you're into the realm of just doing the same stupid things as modern feminism does. Painting the outliers that really should tick people off as the common factor, like here -

No, I'm telling you that the outliers are the exception not the rule. I understand what you mean when you say "doing the same stupid things as modern feminism does" but posit that what modern feminism does in its generalisation is pure fantasy, the assertion:

They are totally flawed by nature of their inability (or reluctance) to conceptualise the fairness of reason as an abstraction.

Is not limited to outliers, that's my contention. We have different beliefs. You have not disproved mine, merely, tried to associate it with a feminist manipulative tactic. OK.

The Red Pill truth is - do you know why guys have realize all this is bullshit? Because women wouldn't have sex with guys who were believed in it. Like it or not, while women are responsible for feeding us the crap, they're also responsible for causing men to realize that it's the crap that it is because they wouldn't sleep with men who bought into it.

Disagree strongly, although you have a small element of truth in what you're saying. This might be why guys are rediscovering "wisdom on women" (because it has been suppressed by feminism and social engineering, the people you're thanking for it's rediscovery by the way - stockholm syndrome anybody?) however, this knowledge and variants of it were known and held by men pre-feminism as a matter of simple truth and still is today in many countries where feminism is weak in influence.

Pre-feminism when people didn't listen to logic or reason (including women and children) they were disciplined with light force. Feminism changed the social landscape in ways the majority of you do not even fathom right down to your very concept of masculinity and what it is (as feminism has directly challenged and vilified the concept in and of itself by drawing negative connotations to it - an overt show of contempt) as well as coming up with BS campaigns like "the war on women."

Women are women, covertly thanking women (by saying they're responsible) for forcing men to understand their nature because they don't even realise it themselves (as I say in the article, they lack the self-awareness and logic) is nothing but idiotic pandering to feminine sensibilities.

Your thinking is not in line with red pill philosophy at all, not for your disagreements on my article contention but because of your last paragraph on "what the red pill truth is" it's wrong. I understand your reasoning but it is faulty (circular) - women cause problem - men find solution - thank women for causing problem so we can devise solutions. Oh boy.

[–]LMS_THEORY_ 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

why isn't this at the top of the sub?!? Great article

[–]pro_skub 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That was a really good article. I realised things that in hindsight are obvious but haven't thought of before. Props for coming to those conclusions so young.

BTW, I spotted a small grammar mistake in this sentence, in case you want to correct it: "it’s you who is delicate, not she".

[–]winnnnnnnnn 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Woah :( ....... :)

[–]JonnieCage 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The sceptical and new initiates who can’t see this and question it’s truth are not deep enough down the rabbit hole, you’ve still got a long way to go – a lot of you think you can use red pill philosophy to make yourself desirable to a woman and then go fuckoff to your masturbatory Disney fantasy “…and they lived happily ever after” because now you have the magical instructions to create attraction. Bullshit. That is nothing but you still being ignorant, still being unable to accept that women are unilaterally: self-obsessed, selfish, solipsistic users.

Man, that applies to me. I still have blue pill hangups. Great post.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I know that you intended the opposite with this but I think that you are giving too much hope for men to find a good woman in this world. You mentioned a unicorn multiple times in your article and even gave a 1 in 10 (although you did laugh at that) but I believe that the unicorn doesn't exist at all. It is our projection of hoping that we find someone who will love us as much as we love them. I no longer believe women are capable of it. The way every woman I know treats their man is mostly opposite of the love that the men show for them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't even get this, to be honest. I don't want to be loved the same way I love a woman. I don't want to be coddled or doted on or viewed as something precious to be cherished. I want to be loved the way a woman should love a man. I want her to put her faith in me, I want her to look up to me, and to some extent, to even worship me.

A man loves a woman the way a woman loves a child.

A woman should love a man the way a man loves a god.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's still up for debate, I know some guys who have some very manageable women and these women do sacrifice for their men, I'd consider them unicorns, although, unlike my friends dating these "better girls" or "unicorns", I can see their flaws clearer, their flaws, generally, although apparent, are less concentrated and their ability to fuck with your head is lower (more juvenile, less gaslighting.) I'll put it in another way, you don't want a girl who's too good at shitting in your heart, a very manipulative conniving chick is not wife material. Reason being? If she's better at it than you she'll win the power struggle, disrespect you for it and then it's all over, you lose. You're not allowed to lose.

[–]Party_Liquor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great article man. Forget the haters and obvious BP trolls. Keep preaching the truth!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great article. I can't believe I ever stressed over women's bullshit. I'm 25 and now I see the way things really are.

[–]imjoey8 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to point out that most people, not just women, care mostly about themselves. That's kind of the basis of this whole subreddit. Not sure what kind of point was trying to be made when he said that.

Also I thought this place was supposed to be about self improvement for men, what are we getting so worked up about women for? I'm not trying to put down anyone's opinions on the subject, it just seems a little out of place.

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[–]md6193 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Abundance mentality means you CAN test women because you're an alpha and have options. Only betas have to be content with what they get.

If you push her to a corner just to see where she starts being defensive, she will always feel like you're the kind of guy with whom she can't have her guard down.

Read up on dread game.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's mostly a waste of time.

You're going to do something to piss her off -- it probably won't even take long. So why bother doing it on purpose? A clever girl will see what you're doing, and this isn't the kind of trick that can be played if the mark sees it ahead of time. It's a form of driving, and driving will always backfire if the mark suspects that she's being driven.

[–]md6191 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's mostly a waste of time.

Testing or dread game?

I agree that dread game isn't a good option. I would only recommend it to guys who are stuck in a marriage and have no other choice. The point I was trying to make is only that it can work and that the effects of a woman being insecure in her relationship can have real benefits.

[–]1PaulRivers10 -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with the other posters that this article has some good points, but mixes in to much bullshit vitriol. I think it's crap when feminist spread stupid over the top ideas about "men" as a group, and I don't think it's any better when genders are reversed.

Like these: - "Relationships are war." - "They are totally flawed by nature of their inability (or reluctance) to conceptualise the fairness of reason as an abstraction."

I thought stuff like this was interesting -

You are deceived by their image, their soft sounding voice, their laughter, your eyes lie to you, completely. You are deceived by your weakness, you perceive delicacy in a beautiful woman, in her small frame, from the touch of her soft skin, when in reality, in the heart, it’s you who is delicate, not she

But there's just to much crap in there.

The author goes into "all women are like the worst thing women have ever done to me or someone I know" territory, which reminds me a Vox Gamma -

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.ch/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html

Gamma: The introspective, the unusual, the unattractive, and all too often the bitter. Gammas are often intelligent, usually unsuccessful with women, and not uncommonly all but invisible to them, the gamma alternates between placing women on pedestals and hating the entire sex.

I don't like seeing RDP turn into a one-sided ragefest like feminism has. There's a difference between stuff like "this whole theory they're spouting is bullshit" and "their whole gender is a bunch of whores!" like I feel like this article is getting into.

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