Bad frame/social standing despite good smv?

redrogue12 · 2018-10-07T17:00:14+00:00

I think experience helps a lot. Keep failing but be mindful of what went wrong. Also don't feel pressured to dominate at all times. Look for your moment to shine and exploit it. If you are eager to get attention it shows. When you detach yourself from the outcome it is easier.

Don't try, do.

Also if you have a worthy goal and keep bringing good things to your life it makes others wonder. Makes you more interesting. Make more money, get a nice place, decorate it, invite your friends over for a get together. Talk to anybody. Meet interesting people. Do interesting things. Visit places.

It just takes time and I know we want things now. Keep working. Keep building yourself. Particularly your character.

KrustyKrabReject · 2018-10-07T17:14:34+00:00

Social standing is part of smv. Practice makes perfect. Test what works test what doesn't. Test test test.

VolatileEnemy · 2018-10-07T18:26:07+00:00

That's kinda interesting, most people are in the opposite situation, they have all sorts of social skills and it doesn't always help.

Looking really good and having attractive features actually lets you get away with more in terms of making social mistakes.

If you get bested by someone in conversation with a pretty girl or whatever, that's okay, it's not a big deal. You can't expect the greatest social interactions all the time. Try to observe and learn how people communicate and lead a conversation better.

Another good idea, is to go on YT or something and watch some talk shows, yeah it's a bit scripted but many times they are improvising and finding ways to talk about... pretty much nothing. They literally have found ways, to talk about nothing important and still make it seem entertaining to an audience. Think about that. They are talking utter nonsense and yet people are listening.

Just watch Colbert, Conan, or Craig Ferguson, they are really good at just making conversations out of nothing or shifting the conversation to something that they really want to talk about despite no relevancy. As an example, Colbert sometimes starts talking about Lord of the Rings (he's a fanboy) sometimes it's really interesting how he finds a way to just bring it up without sounding like a nerd.

Another thing is don't worry so much... If someone is really into you and really attracted to you, you could just... make a funny noise and they'll think it's funny, even though it's clearly not funny at all.

lozboss · 2018-10-07T18:14:20+00:00

Only way you solve this is by getting out there and meeting/talking to people. Meetup is a useful app for this.

The issue you have is you've developed only one part of yourself. Which arguably is the easiest one to master.

Zanford · 2018-10-07T20:56:05+00:00

Practice practice practice. I know it's easier said than done but you just have to get out there and talk to people.

You can even practice with non-prospects like dudes and old ladies. Store clerks and baristas are good for this.

ba77ab · 2018-10-07T22:14:38+00:00

You struggle because you've never done it. You're going to have to force yourself to talk and just practice on strangers e.g. person in lift, in shops ask where something is, coffee barista, a gym bro, waiting in a queue It won't come natural at first and it might even feel pointless. But start small and you'll build. This will give you more power when speaking to people that you do actually need to dominate.

Flintblood · 2018-10-08T01:47:31+00:00

Very good question. I am there with you. I'm good at getting looks early on and IOIs, but not so good at gaming that and moving it fast enough. Part of it has been most of my IOIs have been close to work, so I hesitate. Yet I still feel like I should be able to safely flirt and be fun without worrying about having it be an issue or cause drama.

I'm also in a new social circle and a little bit outside their group now, but I don't want to look like an Omega asking to be let in to the pack.

Flintblood · 2018-10-08T01:55:56+00:00

Your post brings to light the discrepancy in complexity of what makes male SMV as compared to female SMV. Male SMV can and often involves calculus of several different factors, including a formula that attributes total SMV to the factors of social standing/status, physical attractiveness, frame, wealth ability (at basic), and the art of persuasion or verbal ability. It's like balancing an RPG character out without really knowing the dice rolls when you start.

Female SMV is much simpler and can be as simple as simple addition of physical attractiveness (if HB 7 and above). At most, female SMV is simple 2 factor linear regression -- for every one X unit of physical looks + one unit of personality SMV increases by Y.

Title	Bad frame/social standing despite good smv?
Author	mr_bery
Upvotes	8
Comments	11
Date	October 7, 2018 4:28 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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