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[–]slippersweatpants6 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
So where to start here.
I can say that it does happen - and more than you’d think. Firstly, how do you know I’m not talking shit? Well I am a recruiter, but we’ll keep it vague.
It happens wholesale - of course unless someone has a death wish they will not openly admit it, they commonly hide behind the whole pretence of not enough experience, Late for applying, job already filled etc. Sometimes it legit sometimes it’s not - anyone’s guess besides them.
based on someone’s looks
Yeah unless you’re applying for hooters or some strip club, I’d remove the photo from CV. Not only is it not necessary, but it’s deemed quite cringey by us in the office - not a direct reason for not hiring someone m, but it’s the impressions that matter you know.
Another little tip , if you do have a foreign surname, put SOMEWHERE near the top that you are fluent in English or a citizen in the UK / US or wherever or 2nd / 3rd generation from whatever country. Maybe it’s a subconscious thing, and I used to be an English teacher so I really don’t mind it, but my colleagues would openly avoid calling people due to names / spelling mistakes in the CV as they presume (sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly) that communication will be an issue.
Also relax bro, a literal pandemic going on at the minute, we’re operating at 30% capacity right about now. And those other people who are under qualified getting these “awesome” jobs that you are seeing , I presume seeing as in on social media??? Don’t worry about that shit, a lot easier to make a pile of shit look appealing when you can’t smell it.
People want this constant image of success and they feel that if people think they are, then they are. So by you feeling they are more successful is making them feel more successful - which is the biggest load of shit I’ve ever heard.
Bottom line - qualifications don’t mean shit. It’s the experience that really matters - the amount of times we had to overlook qualification issues due to a good candidate fit you wouldn’t believe.
So they’re either:
HMU if have any questions.
[–]Rustrike1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Some great advise there, cheers man. I know times are shitty now, but I'm coming from supply chain area which is growing despite pandemic. And really interesting to hear it from you as someone who recruits.
[–]slippersweatpants2 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Glad you can potentially find a bit of value in my various lunchtime ramblings - not always as coherent to be honest.
Now, another small point to bare in mind is what you said that supply chain is growing. Which yeah, don't get me wrong it is. People shopping more, more stuff being sold, more stuff needed to replenish & out for deliveries - naturally more supply chain.
Maybe could be completely off here do please do correct me if I am, but you should pay particular attention to how exactly that industry is growing. I know that we have a "supply chain and logistics" department in my place, and they have some pretty interesting insights.
Of course there are new players coming onto the scene for supply chain, and pandemic is still mixing the whole industry dafuq up, but in my city / country anyway it's still dominated by the major players. All they are doing for example is opening a new warehouse or 2 - great, the indsutry is in theory still growing, at alot faster pace than others of course, but who are they hiring?
You can bet your bottom dollar, and I have seen it happen maybe 4 times this year already, that the manager of another warehouse gets a promotion to an "area manager" as such (overlooks 2 warehouses) and they just hire a fuck load of minimum wage workers to do the heavy donkey work.
Of course it is still orders in to fill so we get paid if we place a warehouse operative or a head of finance, but it seems they are just giving more responsibilities to existing management in the orgnaisations and expanding headcount among the bottom rungs, maybe sprinkling in the odd supervisor title here and there to get a bit of competition going.
Just something to consider, you're mentioning qualifications etc so I presume you are not going in on that bottom rung of the ladder so to speak, which seems to be main area that is benefiting from this pandemic growth...
Oh no, I read job descriptions before applying :)) Yeah, I appreciate an honest answer. This pretty much cleared out the sky for me. I thought I was getting paranoid. Warehouse manager is kinda different from purchasing / supplier manager role, that's more about managing pick and pack process. There's a huge cold storage / freezer warehouse industry brewing in large cities, because more people start buying groseries online.
[–]DevilishRogue5 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not likely to discriminate according to surname as most HR workers in the UK are pro-immigration, but if you have any doubts try sending out your CV with a westernised surname and see for yourself if it makes a difference.
[–]Rustrike2 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ha that's cheeky. I'm actually thinking changing my surname, as it's too difficult to pronounce anyway.
Also I think it could be because of "feminisation" of corporate world, where they hire a person not because they would be a great contribution to a business with their set of skills and experience, but because they "feel" this candidate would fit in well with a team... Therefore they prefer to hire people with same background / upbringing.
[–]Meloxian2 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I’ve heard Harvard discriminated against Asians for black people so affirmative action is a thing
[–]loreofo2 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
fyi you can use a pseudonym on resumes. a lot of people do it.
[–]tetrachromancy2 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There's often fuckery when it comes to institutions.. Add in unconscious bias.
I will say, due to the Western cultural conversation around diversity and inclusion, more HR and hiring managers are making an effort to screen and hire minorities.
Russian/Eastern European surname, I would imagine, shouldn't really be a big deal. Is your first name something easy for people to say?
This might be an issue with your resume. If you're applying online to these roles, the AI is not picking up the keywords and that's why you're not getting calls.
I recently used a resume builder tool that suggests keywords that will increase the chances. You can find it on Zety.com
Edit: You should also work on your interview and presentation skills. Do lots of prep. Write down answers to common interview questions and have them in front of you. Be confident and don't get thrown off by their questions. Good luck
Thanks for the link man. My first name is easy, surname is a pain though. Defo agree on presentation skills. In this entertainment age, people expect you to be like Jonathan Ross or something..
[–]tetrachromancy1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
First impressions are everything. The skills learned with game / pua and generally being good with people carry over to the business world. When you're used to opening a set of 5 girls like it's nothing every weekend, suddenly doing a presentation in front of the board isn't so scary.
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[–]319Skew1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Probably but since you can't prove it one way or the other. What's the point of fretting about it?
[–]Smerdakas1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Similar situation, I feel it can make a little difference. But tbh I've seen people with unpronounceable polish surnames in good office positions, and a few job ads that requested a blind CV (ie without any personal info) which is an awesome idea. And I have the impression that the recruitment sector in the UK has a larger percentage of international people than a lot of other office jobs, so not sure how unconsciously biased they are.
I may sound too cynical, but there's this thing where some international people see fellow immigrants as competition... Or they prefer to hire locals as subconsciously they're thankful for them accepting us in their country. I think it all basically comes down to cultural presences. They don't want a Borat sitting next to a Ricky Gervais in a office iykwim.
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