Is 'game' always enough?

INNASKILLZ2K18 · 2019-05-22T13:15:45+00:00

Thinking you can attract ANY woman is vastly deluded. That line of thinking will fuck you up. Every rejection you get, you may start self-blaming, beating yourself up and searching for some perfect game. PUA style.

There are a multitude of factors out of your control. Maybe she's just not looking for a guy at the moment. Maybe she has a 'type' she's obsessed with. Maybe she's got a fucked up past, and is scared of guys. Maybe you just don't have chemistry.

A huge part of red-pill mentality is ABUNDANCE, and OUTCOME INDEPENDENCE. We accept we won't attract every woman, which is why we keep investment low and have little reliance on the outcome.

Reading the sidebar a thousand times, and benching 300 pounds isn't going to make you God. Accept what is out of your control.

Good game, and thinking you can attract every girl is an oxymoron. Good internal game involves acceptance that you can't win them all, so have an IDGAF attitude.

TheStumblingWolf · 2019-05-22T10:44:49+00:00

The way I see it game increases the number of women you can attract - not guarantee it. Nothing in life has any guarantees - that's why we have something called outcome independence.

FereallyRed · 2019-05-22T13:50:49+00:00

If you wait and only approach women who take the initiative by tossing IOI's your way, you're allowing women to self select who you approach.

This, obviously, is behavior that relies on events that take place outside of your frame.

You're picking up the scraps that fall off the table.

Jump up on the fucking table and pig out on what looks good to you.

Calibrate, of course. But it's insane if it's not you choosing which girl you go for. That's what's wrong with "seduction". No balls, looking for external validation before approaching.

Hedging bets.

Fuck That Noise.

Go for what you want, not what's offered.

GazeAtFlames · 2019-05-22T11:02:37+00:00

Physical attractiveness

Muscles

A sense of fashion

Being clean and we'll groomed

Being normal and healthy, having a positive outlook on life

Game

All these are important factord

0io- · 2019-05-22T13:23:20+00:00

Good Looking Loser explains it, but most girls you approach are not going to be sexually available for reasons that have nothing to do with you. (She's got a final exam tomorrow, she just got married yesterday, she has terrible indigestion, she's already got a date lined up for tonight...)

For the ones who are sexually available (to someone), you have to meet their looks threshold, which is more of a yes/no decision. Would she swipe you on Tinder. Are you in the top 20% of guys based on looks alone? (Minimum threshold)

If she's sexually available AND you meet her looks threshold, it just comes down to game. Does she enjoy being around you, does she feel you click with her, do you make her smile and laugh, are you fun to be around? That stuff is pure game.

Of course, the single most important thing is did you approach her in the first place? That's also game. If you never approached her, you might meet her looks threshold and she might be sexually available to you, but you'll never find out because you never made a move.

You can have all the game in the world but it's not going to do you any good if you smell bad and look like a fat bum. If you look like a movie star or a model, you can probably have the worst game in the world and still have girls lined up outside your hotel room begging to sleep with you.

Where redpill differs from PUA is that pick-up emphasizes game and clothes, whereas redpill requires you to transform yourself through lifting, meditation, study, hobbies, sports, etc. If you do all the redpill stuff you'll be much more attractive and therefore more likely to pass the "looks threshold" test. You'll also be a more interesting person which makes your personality more attractive.

The shorter, fatter, uglier, you are, the more work you will have to put in. Most girls will never be available to you. You have to make yourself as attractive as possible, and then find girls who don't think you're short and ugly. Fat is the simplest thing to fix. It's not easy, but it's very simple.

MattyAnon · 2019-05-22T15:22:11+00:00

I've read this a few times from posters on this sub

They lie. I have never seen a fat guy who is good with girls. Ever.

All the guys I've ever seen or known who were good with women were slim. Some tall, some not, some charming, some not, all slim.

I have had my fair share of lays, but tbh, I always feel that it was a matter of the girl being into me the second I said 'hi' (so physical attraction), and from there, I just escalated without messing up too bad.

Look... girls are random. You get 0-10 points looks, 0-10 points random (eg she likes your hair or hates your shoes), 0-10 points game, and if you total over 15 points she fucks you if she's super horny and over 25 points she fucks you regardless.

Obviously made up numbers, but that's basically how it works. She has whatever mood and whatever situation. She has some amount of attraction. There is some amount of interaction with her that presses her buttons or not. Logistics happens or it doesn't.

There's a lot you can do to shift things in your favour, but a lot is beyond your control.

Game is a thing, but it's not the whole thing. Same for looks, same for situation, etc etc.

I've seen regular 'redpillers' post in the seduction sub which was basically ''you MAKE her attracted, even if she's not into you

You can do this A BIT. But not everything.

If you're a fat slob, you're going to have to be the most motherfucking charming ever to get laid. If you're in shape you have much much less work to do.

you didn't game her well enough. You can get EVERY girl''

Obvious bullshit... but you really can get any type of girl

Emerald__Faith · 2019-05-22T13:59:49+00:00

Game works but theres other factors, like in Poker when the best hand Still loses 4% of the time

Sometimes shes just not into you
If your physically repulsive game will not work
Being attracted is different to being interested
Social image / how she looks with you is always in play

vas_mhtro · 2019-05-22T10:47:15+00:00

No it's not enough. Game is just an aspect of the red pill, it can get you that far.

StopGaming1234 · 2019-05-22T21:41:23+00:00

Looks > Game.

I'd rate 70% is your physical appearance (face, body, clothes etc.) and 30% is all the other stuff such as money, status and obviously your game aka how confident you come over.

People like to say girls would rather go for the confident bad looking guy instead of the shy good looking guy. That's just straight up delusion.

Keep in mind that mastering all those things will only maximise the pool of woman you can pick from. You will never get a shot with every woman.

KingRead · 2019-05-22T15:11:26+00:00

Game is marketing, everything else (attractiveness, SMV) is the product.

You can sell the shittiest product, if you have a great marketing team but eventually your business will crash. If you have a great a product, a little bit marketing will help it sell itself.

Now, the point is you need both marketing and the product to be above a certain threshold to increase your sales and keep your business afloat. Your best bet is to find out where you're lagging and work on that.

If you've always been a great product from day 1, yes learning how to market yourself will give you substantial dividends and when people ask about your turning point of course you will say it's when your started marketing yourself. On the other hand, if you've been marketing a shitty product with medicore success for so long, and the market got tired so you had to improve your product inevitably, you will then believe that the product was the lagging indicator and you got your biggest return from improving the product.

At the end of the day, you could be the top salesman at Ferrari but 99% of the world isn't going to be able to afford it. Your job is to focus on the 1% that can afford it and tailor your marketing to them. Ferrari salesmen don't give a shit what broke college students think about their business. That's not their target market.

mrmaldoror · 2019-05-22T12:32:58+00:00

What does it matter to you? <- the real question

Title	Is 'game' always enough?
Author	GladDark
Upvotes	8
Comments	25
Date	May 22, 2019 10:41 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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