Okay there are different points in a relationship.

  1. The beginning when you ask a girl out. I think it is pretty alpha to pay for her drink on the first few dates. Maybe take her out to dinner if you like her and pay.

  2. Once she becomes a plate, FWB, or LTR is this the time you make her pay? For me I make the bitch pay for her drink or food or whatever at this point in time. I have gotten heavy resistance at first but it has worked. Is the resistance just a shit test? Like I pretty much go "sorry honey that's the way it is."

I know my girl pussy went dry like the Sahara desert once I started making her pay and our relationship didn't feel the same after. Perhaps I flunked some frame tests while explaining to her why she has to pay or perhaps she was just an ultra bitch.

Am I being alpha or beta here by insisting she pays? And if you guys also insist how do you go about better doing it than I did.

A note I will never compromise on paying even if you guys agree that it is beta to make her pay. I think its BS that I have to pay for a women to grace me with her presence. She should be paying for me always. But I follow social conventions for the first few dates despite hating it. After that, I don't pay for her.

Again not sure if I am atypical but I am not made out of money and I certainly can't afford to pay for 2 people each time I go out. And even if I could afford it (which I actually could), I need to ensure she likes me if I am going to keep her around. So also her paying validates to me that she likes being around me.