transexuals

Halitenina · 2019-02-28T04:45:31+00:00

Mental illness is beyond the scope of The Red Pill.

ihavetitaniumarms · 2019-02-27T12:19:08+00:00

There is no logic to transsexuals. It is one gender that refuses to accept the reality of their own life and that is for all intensive purposes a mental disorder.

iLLprincipLeS · 2019-02-27T13:21:03+00:00

Since digging into the new book I’ve gotten in the habit of comparing notes with various religious personalities who I think might give me a better perspective into how aspects of the Red Pill dovetail into religion. Everyone from Jewish Rabbis to Greek Orthodox ministers (?), to the Muslim faithful, to Evangelical pastors have been on my discussion list for two years now. One notable of late was Dr. Everett Piper, the recently retired president (chancellor?) of Oklahoma Wesleyan University.

Dr. Piper has a regular segment on the Pat Campbell radio show that comes on a half hour before I go on with Pat every Friday morning at 9:05am EST. The link to all our archives is in the sidebar.

Listen to the full discussion here

Last Friday Dr. Piper and I had a discussion about the state of marriage today. I’m loathe to call it a proper “debate” because there’s a lot that he and I agree on with respect to the value of marriage for men and women – at least, the value of what marriage had in the past and should mean to men and women going forward. Marriage is always going to be a persistent hot button issue in the Manosphere. Depending on what your personal, moral and/or rational beliefs are, marriage is something to be actively avoided or something only to enter into with the most serious degree of vetting and caution. Today’s marriage is defined by the dangers it poses to men. Unfortunately, this caution is rarely a consideration for most Blue Pill conditioned, Beta men.

Another area that Dr. Piper and I (and the Manosphere) agree on is the ‘feels before reals‘ priority our feminine-primary social order has embedded in our social consciousness. Today, the “correct” way to address a decision is to lead with our emotions, but it’s exactly this ‘feelings first’ idea that leads men to disregard the life-damaging potential that modern marriage poses to them.

I took the pro-avoidance side of this discussion. And, as usual, I always have to qualify my doing so first; Yes, I’ll be married for 23 years in July. Yes, I’m still happily married to the same woman and have never been divorced, nor have I ever considered divorce. My marriage’s success is directly attributable to my Red Pill awareness and putting it into practice. Mrs. Tomassi and I are still very much in love, we’ve raised a gorgeous and smart daughter to adulthood, and I think my marriage is as close to most people’s ideal as can be.

And yes, I would still never remarry were I to find myself single tomorrow – I simply cannot endorse marriage, as it exists today, as a good idea for any young man. Remember, this is coming from a guy with a damn good marriage. As MGTOWs are fond of saying, endorsing marriage today is leading the lambs to slaughter. I agree. It is simply, statistically, the worst decision a man can make in his life at present, yet so many men want to believe they won’t be one of those statistics.

This confuses a lot of people. Fundamentally, I think the institution of monogamous marriage has been one of the bedrocks of success for western civilization. Marriage is a good idea; it’s how we execute it in the late 20th and 21st centuries that makes it one of the worst prospects imaginable for men. So, I’m technically not anti-marriage; I’m anti-never-saw-it-coming-Pollyana-how-could-she-do-this-to-me?-hypergamy’s-doesn’t-care marriage.

This was my position going in to this talk with Dr. Piper. Have a listen to the whole segment if you have the time, but what we distilled it down to is the idea of a Covenant Marriage vs. a Contractual Marriage. This was the premise used to describe the divide between marriage how it should be done – religiously, personally, devotionally, how it was done in the past – and the way marriage is now – the worst contractual liability a man can enter into. Needless to say a lot of qualifications followed this.

By my understanding a Covenant marriage presumes a mutual religious reverence and understanding of what is expected of a man and a woman before they enter into marriage. It is founded on the agreement of two individuals who believe they are better together than they are apart. On paper this sounds good, but it presupposes quite a bit – particularly on the part of that woman today. I’ll detail the reasons why in a bit, but I take the Covenant definition of marriage to mean that there’s a mutual understanding between the man and woman that they are marrying for love in accordance to what they believe is their religious and monogamous obligation. Fine. We’ve got a model for marriage that is set apart from the Contractual model.

The Contractual marriage is one based on mutual support and an insurance that this support will continue even if the marriage itself dissolves. MGTOWs liken this to a bad business contract that, were it not marriage, no right-thinking man would ever agree to sign off on.

Contractual marriage is the standard for today. Dr. Piper sees this model as the “what can I get from my partner marriage“, but you can decide for yourself if you listen to the discussion. I think this is a bit disingenuous since it implies that men’s only consideration for agreeing to what amounts to a bad business contract would in any way make sense due to a desire for getting what he can out of what’s already a bad deal. Why marry at all if what you’re taking away from it is nothing you can’t get outside of marriage without the risk?

Essentially, Contractual marriage is the marriage-divorce-support structure that men are wisely hesitant about today. Dalrock once noted that sometime after the Sexual Revolution “we moved away from the marriage model of child rearing and into the child-support model of child rearing“, and I think the Contractual model of marriage becoming the default was an integral part of this.

If you’ve ever watched the documentary Divorce Incorporated you can see the machinations of the Contractual form of marriage at work. This is just a taste of some of the real world consequences that accompany Contractual marriage’s liabilities. However, I think going in – and with the emphasis on leading with our feelings – most men have idealistic, Covenant marriage, expectations for their marriages.

It sounds pretty good, right?

And for the premarital sex mindset it’s the only game in town if they want sexual access. So, it serves a purpose to convince oneself that a man’s spouse is necessarily on the same page as they are with respect to his idealistic concept of love (versus a woman’s opportunistic concept of love). This is where most Beta men get themselves into trouble. They presume their ‘bride‘ to be shares his mutual idea of love, and combined with a potent cocktail of dopamine and endorphins, he leads with his Emotional Process rather than his Rational Process.

Off the Books Marriage

While we also discussed the issue of Responsibility vs. Authority in marriage, what got me was his marching back the question about separating a ‘Covenant’ marriage from the ‘Contractual’ marriage. This is something I’ve discussed with MGTOWs occasionally. Would marriage work if you removed the state and any entitlement to the cash & prizes liabilities from the equation?

I brought this up because this “private ceremony”, off-the-books unofficial marriage is what saved my friend Anthony Johnson from losing his ass in his own divorce. He wasn’t wise enough to see through his ex’s deceits, but he was smart enough not to involve the state in his marriage.

I was genuinely surprised to hear Dr. Piper disagree with the idea of separating the marriage models we’d discussed at the time, but to have him state that he wasn’t willing to somehow give up on the heroic fight to reform the ‘Contractual’ marriage was, in hindsight, kind of disingenuous. In both instances, with respect to headship and authority, and the reluctance to let go of the contractual definition of marriage (especially after making such an impassioned case for a covenant marriage) I can only come to the conclusion that Dr. Piper’s position on marriage is influenced by the feminist undercurrent prevalent in the church today – and without his really realizing it too.

Once again the fiscal considerations of not offending women’s (feminist influenced) sensibilities comes to the fore in another religious leader. This has been a constant theme among the Pastors and church leaders I’ve been interviewing since I started the fourth book.

Churches are business franchises today and if you want to keep the tithe checks forthcoming in order to keep the lights on pastors and church leaders need to prioritize the sensibilities of the primary consumer in the western world – women. It’s gotten to the point now that church leaders have internalized that women’s eyes and ears will be judging their words minutely in sermons and public appearances to ensure their Pastor is on ‘team woman’. This is why opposing a separation of Covenant marriage vs. the Contractual is literally a ‘no brainer’ for these men. They don’t ever think about it any other way because they’ve already adopted the feminist zeitgeist that’s assimilated their churches. To endorse that separation is to deny women their potential for cash & prizes if a man displeases God by making them unhappy.

MrAgamemnon · 2019-02-27T13:17:02+00:00

Stop thinking about how mentally ill people think.

CainPrice · 2019-02-27T14:22:15+00:00

Transsexuals are mentally ill people that society has taken a big fat dump on by catering to their mental illness instead of treating it like an illness. Don't try to pick up trannies. They're mentally ill. You don't want to prey and take advantage of mentally ill people.

RedSkeller · 2019-02-27T13:43:34+00:00

I've talked to a few of them on tinder and the communication is very direct.

Shootereto · 2019-02-27T12:19:09+00:00

Of course not. They think like men. Go on tinder and swipe right to a few of them. Most of the time they will open the conversation with lines like "I want to suck you" and other shit like that a high quality woman ain't gonna say.

MisterRoid · 2019-02-27T15:12:49+00:00

I had one tell me he wanted me to fuck him in the ass within minutes of matching... As it is when it comes to homosexuels, the risk of STDs is considerably higher. I will admit there are attractive transsexuals out there, but I don't use condoms and fucking a tranny raw in the ass would be too risky for me.

Popeman79 · 2019-02-27T15:15:11+00:00

It's actually pretty interesting. When they transition, most of them start taking estrogen to become and feel more feminine. As they take it, their mind starts reacting differently, and their horniness also changes. A biological male who has transitioned and taken estrogen will experience the following:

increased mood swings and difficulty to focus on specific tasks
much more emotional, for example they become suddenly sad for no reason
horniness decreases, and has to be induced slowly by multiple factors

Those bluepillers who say that men and women think the same should take some estrogen therapy and see for themselves the MASSIVE changes that occur.

Transexuals are a testimony to the many gender differences there are between men and women.

2comment · 2019-02-27T15:17:01+00:00

They're men cosplaying women and want every to accept their delusion that their costume is real. Same as if a dresses up as Ash Ketchum and spazzes out if you call him by his real name or don't believe that his balls don't contain real Pokemon.

Are you so low value as a het male that you can't get women and have to go after delusional dudes?

Don't stick your dick in crazy.

red-red-redemption · 2019-02-27T13:27:38+00:00

I remember reading the post of a dude on TRP who briefly (for a year or so) went on hormones as MtF. He did describe a lot of interesting psychological changes, both of his own and of how other people started treating him/her differently, but he aborted the thing in the middle of the process, so we will never know if it only goes some of the way or if it eventually goes all of the way.

Aptote · 2019-02-27T17:01:50+00:00

who cares?

what's wrong with you?

MattyAnon · 2019-02-27T17:29:57+00:00

Do they work like women

No.

You can't take a man-who-wants-to-be-a-woman for 25 years, give him/her a few hormones and then expect the result to be like a normal man or a normal women.

Male and female bodies have different brain structures, produce different hormones, and have different reactions and sensitivities to those hormones.

Transsexuals are in a category of their own.

KeisezrGo · 2019-02-27T21:42:45+00:00

If it is a tranny that wants to go from male to female, it will always think like a dude and vice versa. They're twisted fucks though, gas all of them.

PlantainNationalism · 2019-02-27T12:35:21+00:00

your gay

TRP8myfeels · 2019-02-27T12:21:24+00:00

Gender fluid mixes sexes, you would have to get to know them better to understand what they want and need and all that.

Title	transexuals
Author	17helpme
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Comments	22
Date	February 27, 2019 12:13 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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