I noticed alot of guys here are really desperate for girls instead of being desperate for game. Most guys here are either just started approaching OR are making desperation moves (i read one guy posted about "grunting" as an opener) and playing an even bigger numbers game to get "lucky". Ots the same thing I noticed from my friend, he veiws game as a "means to an end" instead of something that has to be apart of you. He even had the nerve to snap on me because when we were coming home from the mall one girl I was seeing called me saying she was horny and that she loves me etc (not bragging here guys) and when we hung up he said "ahh man I wish girks would talk to me that way etc etc. I told him all he needs is a "structure" to his game, a set of steps you make sure the girl is on before you move forwardin the interaction.