(Actually gonna be 32 in June, jesus christ time flies)

I mostly just lurk this forum, correcting bad advice here and there. I pretty much know all the information already, the hard part is just execution. The same way you can learn all the moves in street fighter but chaining them together in multiplayer match is a whole 'nother thing.

Nine times out of ten,

I just grab her and take a kiss. Left hand behind her upper back/neck, or hands around the waist area, etc. The key is pulling her into you as you lean in. You can tell right away if she starts to pull away before you get too far invested. (generally we are positioned face to face, or next to each other, touching in some way, hugging, saying goodbyes, etc) Granted, I was usually drunk (liquid courage) and had either known the girl a long time, or had been on a date or hanging out with her all night. And I just knew it had to happen. IIRC, I've been with around 20 chicks by now (I'm not really a ONS hookup kinda dude, more of a monogomous relationship type). I lost my V card at 15, so that's a little more than 1 chick a year average, and I've probably kissed at least a dozen or so more chicks that I never 'dated' or had sex with.

Even if you are unsure of her being into you or are bad at reading her or getting mixed signals, go for the kiss. That is to say, you are at least sure she's not completely disinterested, at least like 50% if you had to make an educated guess. She's talking to you, she's hanging out with you, maybe you have shared some touching/hugging and she wasn't quick to not be touching, etc.

Sales and Seduction really are very very similar as far as human psychology goes. The year I started into sales, is the same year I really broke into discovery on pursuing women and succeeding. And I used to be a really reserved/aloof type. Highly recommend anyone who is a quiet nerd or whatever to FORCE themselves into a position of telemarketing, it's scary and hard, but you'll be better for it. At least try it for a week or a month if you really hate it or are against it.

Anyway, getting a first kiss is kind of like asking for the credit card as a telemarketer/sales person. The term in sales fields is ABC (always be closing) because even if the person at first rejects you, it makes your intention and the interaction more clear to them if they were not clear before. It changes their perception of the agreement, which in that case is a conversation about a service or product-which has changed into a conversation about selling said service/product to them. So in the context of an female interest, it changes the 'hanging out', 'grabbing some food' or whatever cognitive dissonance you or her may be thinking, into: this is a date, it's more serious, which is similar to an interview for a romantic relationship (of varying levels).

So even if they reject the kiss at first, they didn't outright end the date or try to find a way to end it etc. That just means they have some hang up or you haven't made them comfortable enough yet. However, this also makes them slightly more comfortable with you because it's a confident move and you aren't giving off any mixed signals anymore, if they couldn't read you.

It's dependent on how you react to the rejection though, and the type of girl she is on her reacting to your reaction. AKA 'shit test', the term that is often loosely thrown around and has a pretty negative connotation amongst feminists or anti Redpillers etc. Which basically means, your reaction to failure or challenge says something about your character and manhood. A shit test is not always malicious or planned by a female, it's sometimes subconscious, just a feeling you get during an interaction.

So, If you cringe/slunk away, apologize, frown, and look weak. That's how she sees you. She empathizes your feelings and it's uncomfortable because she sees your discomfort and mimics it, most animals have this basic instinctual reaction. And most animals instinctively will try and avoid negative things by remembering negative things more profoundly than positive things (IE; red berry made me sick, avoid red berry in the future). She also might feel bad about rejecting you and making you feel bad. She also doesn't want to feel responsible for that.

Now, If you just stop, and smile as you pull away, head up, maybe crack a joke, it's like it was nothing. She sees that you are comfortable, and she stays comfortable about her rejecting you. At the most, it was awkward or unexpected, but she probably doesn't feel bad about it in some way. It's now clear to her what your intentions are 100% and is now viewing you in a different way, sizing you up as a potential suitor if she hasn't been already. This opens the door to try again later when you've built more rapport and she might even be expecting or even waiting for it it next time. You can even use that to your advantage, which is another related human behavioral tool in sales: When someone has a lot of something, clearly they don't care about getting more. Now when something is limited, or taken away, they will want it even more. This is how greedy rich people just want more and more, this is why In N Out burgers are so popular (vastly overrated), this is why all advertisements on TV are always like "Limited time offer", "Sale ends Sunday!", "While supplies last!" , etc. Humans feel rushed or pressured to get whatever they want quickly, before other humans get it all, or it simply goes away and the opportunity is lost. A last ditch effort tool in a sales call was to simply say; "Alright, I don't want to waste any more of your time, and you probably don't want to waste my time. So I'm just going to take away the offer for you and remove you from our list permanently." You will either get a solid NO, or some wishy-washy bullshit. eg; "Wait, tell me more about this aspect of the product." or "Ok, thanks for the offer anyways. Good luck with the rest of your clients". And then you can just reaffirm that you have to either close the deal or move on to other clients. And that's what a good salesperson is trained to do, get a solid NO and move on, or get the YES from the people who have their shit guards up and aren't saying a solid NO. ABCs.

So how does that relate to a rejected kiss? Well you made it clear that you were giving her a kiss, it was free, she didn't take one, yet.. Now if you tried this early on in the date you can hint around for the whole rest of the night about it. Tease her about it, pretend like you don't want a kiss anymore, tell her the next one isn't free, act like you never tried to kiss her and she was dreaming, blame her for trying to kiss you and "you're not that kind of girl." with gay hand wave. etc. Now you are building up a kiss at the same time taking the pressure off of it. You are also indirectly taking away her potential opportunity for something that is in short supply. Something that she may not have been sold on, or is unsure of, but isn't a solid NO on. Now she wants it more. You are selling the idea, the service. And now, she's actually looking to buy, when she wasn't before, when she didn't even know she was at a store.

So later on when you are joking at the bar, or dancing like uncoordinated idiots and laughing about it in the middle of a sea of people, you can confidently wrap your arm around her waist, pull her in, move her hair out of the way, and kiss her. Like she never knew she wanted to be kissed so badly. And the rest is history.

Good luck