Daygame: Direct vs Indirect?

DaygameCoach · 2017-07-20T01:06:23+00:00

When you are already getting IOIs, direct will be more successful than when you are not. So, try direct in that situation and indirect playful otherwise(although it's fine to just use one or the other, if it is more congruent with you and your game). I wrote about this here: http://www.daygamer.net/2014/12/07/when-and-how-to-open-direct-day-or-night-game/.

allislost81 · 2017-07-20T03:11:41+00:00

I feel that you maybe you are overanalyzing this, sort of like asking what's better, Apple or Samsung? Everyone has their own flavor and taste. What works for me may not work for you. I say try out both methods and decide which you feel is more effective from your own perspective.
If your personality does not handle rejection very well, the indirect method helps consolidate rejection so you don't feel like crap when a girl rejects you. However, if you are oozing with confidence, maybe Sparks direct method may be more your style since you may have a higher threshold.

fatClaus · 2017-07-20T02:48:04+00:00

IMO indirect is just easier, and I can't imagine a situation where my direct opener would be shutdown but an indirect one would succeed. I would go direct if you're average/above average looking.

Nick_Sparks · 2017-11-27T22:28:37+00:00

Please allow me to clear up the ambiguity!

Conversations start the second that two people become aware of each other's presence. Often, when we "start a conversation" with someone simply with eye contact, we communicate anxiety and shame.

I advocate starting all conversations, whether they lead to a verbal exchange or not, in the same manner as people do it in small towns: with a smile and genuine good vibes exchanged (sometimes a verbal "hi" or "morning" is involved, sometimes not). I advocate this for day or night, with every single person you come into contact with. Every time you're not doing this with people you're simply practicing that anti-social awkwardness, over and over, and making yourself less likely to be charming when you start an interaction with someone to whom you're attracted.

Sometimes some people will trigger more sexual energy in your body. When you greet them the same way you do with everyone else (small town charm) you'll naturally have more sexuality in your vibe than you would with the average person. If you allow yourself to enjoy these feelings and show your gratitude for them when you smile at them, you're now flirting. If they return that energy you're now flirting together... what you say doesn't matter, that sexual energy is the only thing that determines how likely y'all are to bang.

Before I clarify the times that eye contact isn't returned, allow me to address the part about not having a hidden agenda since that last point is an excellent segue.

When you're flirting with someone, it's important to simply be enjoying the sexual energy exchanged in that interaction for it's own sake (I've had flirts that were better than a lot of the sex I've had in my life). If you get into your head thinking about what you should do to escalate the situation, then you'll disconnect from her and she'll start to get a "used car salesman" vibe. When two people are enjoying sexual chemistry together things always escalate unless one person breaks that connection -- either consciously (in a relationship) or unconsciously (worried about what will happen next).

Finally, what happens when someone doesn't return your eye contact and you have no opportunity to practice small town charm. There are several scenarios where this is the case:

She looks the other way purposefully and you feel a slight bit of discomfort in her body. Again, this conversation has already started. She's communicating incredibly clearly that, for whatever reason, she's just not in the mood to socialize. Attempting to start a verbal conversation in this case is a. a waste of your time and confidence; b. reinforcing poor social instincts; and c. displaying poor social intelligence. If she looks at you like you're weird it's because you're being weird.
She quickly looks away nervously.. as you know from my book, never miss a peek back.
She's oblivious to you, caught up in something else.

These scenarios are why you should practice sharing your feelings with strangers everywhere you go. Anytime you see anything that creates a halfway decent emotional response in your body (beautiful sunset, guy breakdancing on the train, ribeye on sale) -- you share it with whoevers around you.

This is again about rewiring your immediate response to your environment. When you get the urge to share something, do you let it fly or start over-analyzing your actions?

Notice the difference between a guy who's out having a good time, going about his day, and then struck by something he finds compelling in his environment and connects with those around him as a matter of habit compared to the guy out and about obviously looking for women. Which guy will come across as more needy/desperate? Which guy is a woman more likely to be attracted to.

In the same way you share your feelings about anything particularly inspiring in your environment with everyone else, you do this with a woman you're attracted to, day or night. This can include something about her that is creating a particularly strong feeling in your body (phrased in the most charming possible way, given the moment). Of course, the more specific the compliment the better, and beautiful women are sick of being complimented on their looks -- so practice avoiding the "you're beautiful" lines... look deeper, she's oblivious to you so you can check her out longer!

No matter what though, it's the feeling in your body and your expression of gratitude for those feelings without worrying about anything else that is the important thing, not the specific words you say -- day or night.

I hope that helps clarify my thoughts on the matter. If I can answer anything more specifically please let me know.

Arcenturion · 2017-08-12T21:56:58+00:00

I used to use Roosh's style as outlined in Day Bang for daygame in NYC, but I've found that the London Daygame Model (which is direct) is far more potent for the vast majority of daygame scenarios. It's difficult to go indirect on the street, on the subway, on a college campus, and other locations because girls are often on their way somewhere, which makes it frustratingly tricky if you beat around the bush. I recall that on more than one occasion, a girl would just quickly tell me where the pet shop was or tell me that she was unfamiliar with the area before walking off. This is partially due to how fast paced NYC is.

Roosh's indirect style works best in the situations you can use it in - girls sitting by themselves who have time to kill. I recommend using it in stores, coffee shops, library, gym (though it may be tricky) etc, but it won't be useful in the vast majority of daygame scenarios. If you want to fly under the radar and avoid trouble from security, it works well, but to be honest even in situations where you risk trouble by going direct, it's still worth it because you'll save time, feel a pleasant rush of adrenaline, and get to tell yourself that the vast majority of men don't have the balls you do.

I say all that because I've done way too many indirect approaches that went nowhere. That's somewhat due to the fact that I was new, inexperienced, and didn't have many cool things about me that could be used as "big bait" but it's also due to the fact that you don't want to waste time beating around the bush when it comes to daygame because the girls you meet often have some place to go.

https://tddaygame.com/

^For a breezy introduction to the LDM, I highly recommend visiting that site. Also, look up Tom Torero and Nick Krauser.

For direct game, make sure your style and grooming are at least somewhat on point. If you look like a bum, which I used to look like, it'll result in a lot of brush-offs. When you go direct, the girl will quickly make an evaluation of your looks + the way you carry yourself, so you want to make sure the former meets an acceptable threshold.

Title	Daygame: Direct vs Indirect?
Author	Phix_Me
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Date	July 19, 2017 11:58 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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