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[–]tclnm 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Before I read the second line, my recommendation was going to be to go with a friend. I find going with one of my guys loosens me up.
In lieu of that, I would say "warm up" with a few people who you are not necessarily interested in (gender does not matter here). Just start talking to people in general. Something I do, I get numbers from almost every guy and girl I meet and have any meaningful convo with, so that it feels 100% natural to ask for a number from someone who I "want more" from.
Also, I've found there is very little difference in how I APPROACH people that I am interested in v. anyone else, especially for day game. The variation comes later in the convo (idk, maybe 3-5 minutes if I had to put a time on it) when the jokes I make become a bit more sexual, less PC.
As far as decrease flake rate, REALLY get to know them by asking questions. And don't just yes them to death when they answer. Judge them. lol. Can't think of a better way to put it right now. But not in a way that makes them feel that YOU are judging them. Make them think twice about what they are saying -- stimulate them mentally. Talking to you should be like a fun back and forth.
[–]chanyourmind 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Getting over AA is only the first step, it sounds like you're opening but you're not getting #-closes. Keep trying stuff, see what works for you and keep practicing. Use % of successful #-closes every day as your metric to improve.
[–]Vulkreem 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I don't really find it hard to #-close, but I don't feel like I'm building any sort of connection with a girl, so it's a really high flake rate. Any idea how I actually connect on a deeper level than "Oh, you work at x? That's cool"
[–]Kappio 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is so helpful, just watch it all it's pure gold : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33rsHCWgISI
[–]Vulkreem 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow. No seriously, this is honestly changing my perspective on game. Love it.
[–]hotpajamas 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
but I don't feel like I'm building any sort of connection with a girl, so it's a really high flake rate. Any idea how I actually connect on a deeper level than "Oh, you work at x? That's cool"
In my opinion, you need to be more polarizing. More challenging. Conflict with her more. Elicit a strong response. She walks away thinking oh dear diary, today a nice guy came and talked to me <3, when she should be walking away with her hair blown back thinking holy shit what... who the fuck.. i can't beli.. damn
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebantha 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why would you even talk about workplaces? If you are opening situationally, you should have plenty to talk about and relate with someone about. In any even, this would be an "improvement metric" to work on: connecting. Getting numbers is nothing if the people you're calling could care less about hearing from you or worse, if they don't even remember meeting you. If you play your cards right, they WON'T forget you.
[–]__Cyber_Dildonics__ 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you are having flakes, you have plenty of space to improve. First try to get girls on instant dates, not just number close. Farming numbers is not nearly as effective as getting time with the girl. Try talking about sex and hinting at it ( don't think of a pink elephant ). The goal is not to open, the goal is have women in your life.
[–]chanyourmind 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A good way to reduce flake rates is yo set up the date as part of the encounter. You can do this a bunch of ways. I'm assuming you live in the same area.
"Have you been to that new Greek place that opened up, I hear they have amazing hand made pitas." "I've always wanted to try that one sushi place down the street". "I can't believe you haven't been to Ironworks, hands down best BBQ in town".
Find out what her interests and hobbies are. Invite her to something you're passionate about.
"I don't know, you may be good but I play a mean game of X." "I just got a brand new X, actually, and I've been looking to try it out some time." "I'm so glad to meet another X fan, be nice to go with someone."
Tease her with something, make it an inside joke and call back to it, use that as a connection to ask out on a date.
"Well next time you're at home by yourself all weekend, gimme a call and we can be lame together." "I'll make you a deal, if you come to a concert with me I'll let you tell me about how you were into them before they were cool."
[–]mileshigh_23 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your story sounds similiar to mine. Last year, I went on a crusade to get over AA. I was going out nearly daily running up to girls and introducing myself. Once the AA didn't affect me much anymore, I just kept approaching and trying to up my number close rate. I'd say I got up to around 80% number close on every approach.
My take: just work on your number close rate now.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebantha 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One of the biggest issues is that I go out solo a fair bit (on purpose - I'm really trying to be that guy who doesn't need anyone else to have fun).
What is going solo an issue? I'm a little confused about this. Going solo definitely isn't a bad thing.
So for all of you that got good at daygame, what was your next improvement metric after defeating AA?
After AA, connecting would be the next thing, which will lead to closing (number, k, f).
Awesome responses guys - cheers. I realized that I'm definitely not polarizing enough, and a lot more passive than I realized. I've got something to work on now, appreciate the help!
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