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[–]pyroangel 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Great article, but personally I know I'm good looking, I've been offered to model a few times and girls tell me I'm 'cute' or 'hot' on a daily basis.. I'm 18 years old and haven't even kissed a girl. I can't socialize for my life and I'm putting in a lot of work into improving.. My point is, don't be envious of other people's looks, they don't define shit about you. It gives you more opportunities and will give you more room to fuck up, but like the article said, don't focus on that part. Much love to all <3
[–]Ok_Nose72 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i mean looks for dudes dont help unless u have game, but girls looks help because their game is to sit around and wait.
[–]DavidGolani11 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Looks are very important, and even if you are ugly you have to show girls you still care about your appearance, so dress well, cut your hair, exfoliate and smell nice.
For some odd reason, guys still think they can pull chicks wearing cargo shorts, sandals and a dirty football shirt.
[–]NunoHimself 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some can, because they have a "good engine" to make up for it. Take care of yourself, but don't make it your "engine".
[–]SpinPlates 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Looks, money, power and logistics are all on a "barrier of entry"
You don't have to have a lot of anything, just enough to get noticed.
[–]ShinobiKrow 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link
Are we still debating this? Ugly guys have a tough time getting girls, unless they have money, power or some sort of fame. Good looking guys will always have an easy time getting girls, unless they're complete retards and can't even communicate.
Now, in everything there are exceptions to the rule. I can tell you i'm not a guy any girl will look at without knowing and be attracted to, but i get laid pretty often. Mostly through online game. And my photos aren't great nor they convey with 100% accuracy my real looks. It's all about tricks. To me, it's all about talking a lot to them, making them get dirty with me over the net/phone, getting them attached and in love with my personality and then simply reveal to them that, in fact, i'm not that great looking. It never failed. EVER. They always keep their interest in being with me and i lways end up fucking them.
Now, this is MY GAME. Everyone should have their shit figured out. People try to create universal rules in order to figure out the seduction game, and it simply doesn't work. You can't do what i do because you're not me. And i probably can't do what you do.
[–]NunoHimself 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
If it works with you, do it. You proved my point tho, they get attracted by your social skills, your looks don't change nothing. However, if you go out, you notice that what works with one girl works with lots of girls. Through lots of tests, the community found a model (the fundamentals) that works almost every time. Of course, there are exceptions, but I think people should play for the rule not the exception of the rule, and furthermore learn when the rule needs to be broken.
[–]ShinobiKrow 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
They get attracted by my personality. They enjoy talking to me, and by doing it day after day they get attached to me. Once they like who you are, they won't judge your looks the same way. The same way you can have a sister that's ugly but you«re probably won't look at her as such.
Sure, taking care of yourself won't hurt. Being clean won't hurt. Dressing nice won't hurt. Knowing how to talk to people won't hurt. But the thing is: when you're not something, it's very difficult for you to become something. I didn't learn how to be the way i am with girls. I've always been like this and it works. I'm not sure someone who is ugly and with a boring personality can do much to change who they are.
It's not really about social skills. You can be a master at the social game and still not be charismatic enough for girls to like you. You don't get to become funny, for example. Certain things you can't simply become. So, if someone is ugly, to tell them about social skills, personality, humour, bla, bla, bla, is really not that helpful. Some people just don't have it in them.
Everytime i see these "rules" about what you should do and and about you should say, bla, bla, bla, i think "ok, this shit isn´t for me". I'm not willing to change who i am in order to please others. And even if i was willing to do that, would it really to be possible?
I can tell you to have great photos of you in your tinder, doing very exciting shit, surrounded by your friends, yada, yada, yada. Sure, it's a good advice. But what if you're not that person? What if you are not very social, or you don't have friends, or time/money to spend your time doing exciting shit? What are you gonna do? You gotta learn how to play with the cards that you have. That's the most important skill of them all.
Some people know how to do that, most don't. Those who don't will never have the playboy life they dream with. They won't get laid. They will probably never even get one single girl. Yes, it happens. There are a lot of people in that situation. You can't force anyone to like you. Girls have it very easy and can fuck every day with decent looking guys if they want to. They don't need to put up with anyone's shit. They don't need ugly guys with no personality. They just don't need it. That's why there are so many hookers. Create all the rules you want, some people will still not have a shot at getting laid, even if they try to follow them. It's what you are that comes before everything else. If what you are isn't attractive, then you are out of luck.
[–]NunoHimself 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
Not true. None of us started like this. Take humor classes and be funny. Do meditation and be less reactive. Get more life experiences and be more charismatic. Authenticity is important too, it's not changing yourself, it's improving yourself. Owen Cook, founder of RSD (biggest dating and self development company in the world), arguably has the best game ever. Started very poor and with autism, couldn't even recognize facial expressions. He's a fat short bald 40yo ginger, pulls more than you. If he took that approach, he'd be fucking miserable. Instead, he took the advice of the pick up community. He went out. Starts seeing the patterns when people are angry, happy, sad, etc. Figures that out, starts talking to people, how they interact, the topics they use, what social dynamics are at play. Figures that out, starts trying to pull. Gets numbers, starts leading girls around, starts closing. Got his first pull, a 4. Then more 4s. Then 5s... 6s... 7s... 8s... 9s... 10s... 3somes... 4somes... 5somes. If he can, anyone can. Everyone has it inside them, they're just too fucking miserable and deep into social conditioning to let it out. We don't use tricks, we don't change ourselves, we simply found out what our strengths are and use them.
[–]ShinobiKrow 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
You can take all the humour classes you want, that won't make you funny unless your brain is predisposed to that sort of thing. You can't buy funny. Take all the classes you want. It won't happen.
And please, just stop with the dating companies. Do a quick search and you will find plenty of evidence they fake field tests. And like i said, any hot girl i know would laugh at of thouse coaches. I guarantee you.
[–]NunoHimself 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
It's easy to change your brain. Your identity doesn't exist, you're the result of the experiences you went through. So take a comedy/improv workshop and you're funny. There are rules (Rule of 3s, Ks & Gs, fractionation, etc) and exercises ("Having sex with me is like...", "Yes and...", etc) that you can learn/do. The human mind can be changed easily in 6 months, anyone that spends time on it knows how it works.
RSD fakes infields, but how many tho? Tyler probably faked 3 or 4 infields in 15 years and it was with his gf (not really fake, there were 5 girls, his gf + 4 girls, he pulled the other 4). Todd faked like 2, never knew about the other instructors. In 1000s of infields, they fake 6, c'mon dude. Also, fake infields have more to do with lack of time to launch programs than with lack of skill. They're not instructors for nothing, if you think they're shit then go to their cities, you can see them in field. They're gonna steal your hot girl, I guarantee you.
We're talking about game here, it's talking to chicks, it's not rocket science. Like any skill, you're gonna suck at first, but then you make progress and realize it's not that hard.
[–]ShinobiKrow 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I don't know how many they fake. I just know they do. A quick search is enough to find several. The ones you can't find don't mean they were real either.
As far as what you are being the result of your experiences, you are way off there. Yes, experiences can be one of the factors that contribute to who you are, but they are far from being the only one. Everyone's brain has specific characteristics that allow or facilitate you being in a certain way. You don't go from not being funny to being a funny dude because you went to a workshop. Being funny is more than learning a few jokes and techniques.
Not sure exactly what you're trying to sell, but hey, if you can really become anything you want, than you should definitely put all your efforts into it and become a successful stand up comedian, or an amazing writter, since you can learn to be great in any area.
[–]NunoHimself 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I can prove the ones I'm claiming to be fake, because I know who his ex gf is. The others are real. They record mostly in LA, NY, Vegas and Hawaii, also in Kiev and other northern/east Europe major cities, you can find them there. Infields are recorded for programs as examples to back up theory, so the vast majority isn't used. Certain situations are difficult to get even when you push for it, so time restrictions don't allow them to get those situations recorded, so they fake it. Doesn't mean the situations are unreal and impossible (if you apply the theory to go through them), it just means that they don't have more time to record and the program needs to be in the market next month. If it happens to you and you apply what they teach, the situations of the fake infields will actually happen. Furthermore, they have real infields with the same situations as the fake ones, so clearly it's not lack of skill.
I didn't said you could be the best at anything, I said you could do anything. Can you be the best comedian? No, it requires genetics and experience (comedians make people laugh since they born, that's why they're "naturally" funny) that you don't have. But you can make people laugh consistently and write a good book if you apply yourself.
[–]ShinobiKrow -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm not interested in excuses on why they fake it. They do it, and that's all that matters. A lot of these instructors aren't attractive at all and would never be able to pull in reality what you see them doing in videos. Any logical and non-brainwashed person can easily see this.
Yeah, you can be a comedian, if you want to. Doesn't mean people will find you funny. The vast majority, if not ALL of the people deemed as funny grew up being like that. They grew up being pranksters, telling jokes, having a good sense of observation. You don't just become something. You don't just develop a charming personality and a good sense of humor. It just doesn't happen. Especially when you are already an adult with a very established personality. So no, you can't go learn how to have an interesting personality and be funny. You can try, but you will reek of fakeness and nothing that comes out of you will seem natural.
[–]NunoHimself 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There are literally 1000s of cases that disprove you. Both for the instructors and the comedians/whatever. You're being too narrow minded and definitely not acknowledging the possibilities, there's room for growth in there. Understandable tho, it's difficult to understand something that you always had/never tried. This is going nowhere, so I'll not reply. Nothing personal, I just think both of us have better things to do with our time. Have a good one.
[–]ShinobiKrow1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm not narrow minded, i'm realistic. And reality tells me that if you are at a very significant physical disadvantage, there isn't much you can do to start scoring hot girls. This is just a fact. Does it mean there can't be no exception? No. But that's not the point. The point is that there is no viable method to make people go from unattractive to attractive, with a decent rate of success. Gather 100 guys that are ugly, short, bald. Do you honestly believe ANYONE in the world can teach the majority of these guys how to score hot girls? Dude, absolutely no fucking chance in hell. You're living in a fantasy world. Open your fucking eyes and look around you. 99.99999% of the hot chicks that i now are dating attractive guys. That's how the world works and there is very little you can do to change that.
As far as comedy, you're not gonna bang a girl because you're funny. I've known comedy instructors and the vast majority aren't funny AT ALL. But even if they do become funny to some people, that's not enough. FAR FROM ENOUGH. Sure, they make themselves a little more attractive, but that's not enough if you are a 4/10. You need a lot more than the ability to make some jokes. And being funny isn't just about the jokes you tell. It has a lot to do with your personality and cognitive abilities. That you can't learn. Some people are naturally funny. They have an amazing ability to identify comedic potential in situations and say the right thing at the right time. They have contagious personalities. The way the talk is funny. The way they laugh is funny. They have a special energy about them. Do you honestly believe an instructor can teach how to be like this? Lol, GTFO.
[–]NunoHimself1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Cool dude, if you think that I'm fine with it. Have a good one.
[–]3hreeringz 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Facts. Having discipline, being conscious about your habits, strengths and weakness and being aware, you can always change yourself to who you want to be or at least work on becoming a better you.
[–]Life_Uncivilized 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
As I said in another thread:
Girls care way more about who you are and how you make them feel than what you look like. Never, ever forget this.
Looks just make them assume certain things about who you are, and make them feel immediate arousal. You don't need looks to achieve either of those, looks just get you there faster, and don't guarantee you'll keep them.
Yep
[–]WannaChangeMyLife4ev 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, looks alone won't get you girls. Looks will only help you a little. But it is not something you can depend on. The major goal of game is have core confidence... Even you don't have the right looks you can talk to the girl. Congratulations, good post.
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