My sets are stuck in limbo

2010-07-02T03:12:33+00:00

I once saw my natural friend isolate a girl from a set in a bar. He focused all his talking on her, and she seemed to be enjoying it, so her friends eventually left them alone together. It was really that simple. He number closed her after 30 minutes, and it was a very solid close. However I've gotten numbers from girls in sets without isolating them, and day 2's from them. Isolating isn't necessary.

I don't worry about DHV - I find that to be a form of qualifying myself. Also I don't worry about creating attraction - as a HV person, they should inevitably be attracted to me. But if focusing on those areas of concern work for you, then great.

Make sure you talk about each other enough during those 15 minutes, and not just about football or something. Then it is much more apparent that you should be getting her number. Qualify her by saying "that's cool" whenever she mentions something interesting about herself. Push a sexual intent as much as possible, even if it's very subtle. Conversations can get boring without intent.

It's always good to just move close to people you talk to. Always. I've watched in-field videos of Paul Janka and he steps closer to the female every single time. Don't do it too quickly though, just ease towards her at the beginning of the conversation. By the way, I've obsessed a bit over this same issue. Sometimes it feels "weird" to move really close to a person, but then I guess the approach itself is weird too.

One time a guy stole a girl from me because he moved closer to her than I was. This was outside of a bar, and I was talking to her first. He walked up super close, spoke into her ear, and she started giggling. Suddenly all her attention was on him... it was like I no longer existed. It pissed me off at the time, but I also admired his game.

justthrowmeout · 2010-07-02T02:28:36+00:00

It sounds like while you are talking to her you aren't FLIRTING. You need to ramp it up. Smile..touch her. If you flirt and she is receptive at some point you need to mention getting together with her again if hanging out at the time is not an option. The logical way to make this happen is to exchange contact info.

lookatmeimskinny · 2010-07-02T06:25:18+00:00

First, I agree completely with what imperi and justthrowmeout said.

It sounds like you're too focused on using routines and not enough on forging actual bonds with the person you're talking to (which is the whole point of the routines); you're missing the forest for the trees. Also, you should have built attraction before getting into heavy teasing (as you know).

Realize that being confident and funny is a DHV in and of itself - you don't really need routines and stories to get a girl interested in you, they are just there to help. You know what characteristics to bring out of yourself and demonstrate - just do it without worrying about routines and she'll understand.

One thing you could use routines for is isolating. Just have your wing start into a story aimed at the other two girls and say to your target "come here, I want to show you something" then launch into the cube or whatever. Alternatively, pose questions to the group, but become more approving of her answers once as the set goes on (and after attraction is already built). This way, it'll be natural for you to go to her for a number when you say something like "I really enjoyed talking to all of you - we need to do this again" and close.

Finally, you should be closing the set BEFORE they have to leave. Just say you have to get back to your other friends or get another drink or something. This will establish you as a leader who is not at the whim of their plans.

postdarwin · 2010-07-02T09:34:13+00:00

This is great. Well done, the hard part is over. If you can open and stay in the game for 10 minutes, the rest is an easy build.

The other comments here have some good advice. All I can add is the word KINO! That's the key to turning things sexual. Are you performing anything like the DiCarlo Kino Escalation Ladder? It seems like you're a process oriented guy, that system would be ideal for you.

Good luck.

2010-07-06T20:27:30+00:00

I can open well on most sets now, and can usually transition into a conversation if the opener is well received. The trouble is my sets are getting stuck in just a general shooting the shit style conversation. The pickup is not progressing towards a close.

Ahh! This has totally been my biggest problem for a long time.

How am I breaking out of it? Well I still have this problem occasionally, but I think the key is identifying IOIs (they are so easy to just ignore, but you MUST recognize them).

I remember I was working a 3 set alone one night and my target obviously IOI'd me by asking me if I had a girlfriend. This was probably the 3rd or 4th IOI I got from her, and I should have transitioned immediately, but I just kinda brushed it off.

Big mistake.

I'm not sure exactly what I should have done, since it would have been difficult to separate without a wing, but I probably should have called out her attraction to me and transitioned into the Mystery kiss routine.

Edit: Result? The target closed up a bit because I wasn't responding to her IOIs, and I ended up accidentally number closing the fat one :-P

Title	My sets are stuck in limbo
Author	rmbarnes
Upvotes	7
Comments	8
Date	July 2, 2010 12:36 AM UTC (16 years ago)
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