'structure' with game

How much 'structure' is needed in game. Are you guys 'aware' of the structure when you are talking to girls?

I know that people like mystery broke it all down with a kind of 'model' of various phases where you should always know where you are within the model, and he even has lots of lines to use for each part of the interaction within the model.

But there's also guys who just seem to wing it, and freestyle and there doesn't appear to be much In the way of a 'structure'. This appeals to me because I don't want to be constantly memorising lines and thinking about 'where I am in the interaction' etc, but I also want results!

I ask because, in a recent FR I posted elsewhere, I was advised that I 'need more structure'. In the FR, I opened a girl on the dancefloor. Made a comment on her dress. Then asked her a few questions about herself, but she ignored me and went to dance with her friend.

The advice I got was to 'read mystery method. You need more structure. Your open should lead too a neg - spark attraction, and then her qualifying herself''

Is he right? What sort of 'neg' should I have used? Would a neg have definitely 'sparked attraction'?

I do kind of agree that I don't have much of a structure/plan, but in the modern days of seduction, I thought coming at it like a robot with a structure, and canned lines following a strict 'model' etc was advised against?

[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

You might try guys like James Marshall, Nick Sparks, David Wygant, & Mark Manson. After MM was created, some PUAs explored and developed different aspects of it. These three guys are basically descendents of MM, taking it into more holistic and arguably healthier directions. And they are proponents of what's often referred to as "Natural Game," which is more about freestyle, basically.

I ask because, in a recent FR I posted elsewhere, I was advised that I 'need more structure'. In the FR, I opened a girl on the dancefloor. Made a comment on her dress. Then asked her a few questions about herself, but she ignored me and went to dance with her friend.

The advice I got was to 'read mystery method. You need more structure. Your open should lead too a neg - spark attraction, and then her qualifying herself''

No. That wasn't the issue. It's not that you needed a neg or whatever. It's that you were trying to ask her questions about herself on the dancefloor. You were grinding the fun to a halt. People go to a club to dance. Well, girls do anyway. A lot of guys go there just because the "hot girls" are there, but really guys shouldn't go there if they don't like to dance.

It's like being a groupie at a LAN party when you hate video games. And you spend your time trying to interrupt their matches so they can answer questions about themselves. Of course she left to go dance with her friend at the danceclub, instead of staying there to talk about her dress and other things with a stranger.

The music is loud so trying to have a conversation that requires someone to invest in straining to listen to a stranger..... it's not that it's impossible at ALL, but you're talking about more advanced stuff there. At clubs, what you really have is a golden opportunity to explore all the non-verbal means of communication you have at your disposal. Eye contact, facial expressions, dancing, etc. My outlook is, you can spend your time at a club trying to have a conversation, or you can move quickly into physical escalation. Your choice. There are so many things possible at a club that just aren't in daygame. Why not explore those things?

[–]libertycomes[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you're dead-right about my main mistake being to try to engage her in a conversation when she was on the dancefloor. In hindsight, it's quite embarrassing!

I was partly 'thrown off' as my brother noticed these girls, and he actually advised me to use that opener (her dress was ridiculous in fairness) and I just didn't realise that it wasn't very socially aware of me to do that on the dancefloor and just ploughed ahead taking his advice!

But at the same time, I do often see guys approach girls on the dancefloor and they usually say things into their ear. I wish I could hear what they say!!

And I guess I was also partly swayed by my decision since there was an even prettier girl(!) close to the girl who I opened who was talking with , and kissing some guy. (maybe made my brain associate talking being OK on the dancefloor) But I imagine that they probably fell into talking on the dancefloor AFTER he'd probably approached her non-verbally and peaked her interest? I don't know. I didn't get to see him open

[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is absolutely no shame in it. I can't tell you how many times I used to get blown out at clubs. I used to be the guy killing the good vibe around me at clubs. :P

Here's more on what I've said, from RSD Tyler. He's not delicate about it, but he basically explains what I'm talking about, from another angle.

I was partly 'thrown off' as my brother noticed these girls, and he actually advised me to use that opener (her dress was ridiculous in fairness)

We've all been there. Though keep in mind that she already knows that dress was ridiculous and probably had comments on it before. You weren't setting yourself apart by singling out that superficial detail.

I'd say, sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it. Based on what I've seen and experienced, it's usually not earth-shattering. Usually it's a lot of BS, to be honest. lol. Kinda like the first 10 seconds of this video.

But I imagine that they probably fell into talking on the dancefloor AFTER he'd probably approached her non-verbally and peaked her interest?

It often happens this way, yes. By the time people who just met are invested enough to bother trying to listen to each other, they've had some interaction non-verbally in most cases. Eye contact, facial expressions, dancing. something.

In any case, keep in mind, most of us here have been where you are. Even the ones know "know what they are doing."

Title	'structure' with game
Author	libertycomes
Upvotes	1
Comments	3
Date	March 22, 2017 8:18 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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