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[–]hunterpua 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (19 children) | Copy Link
And inside I don't feel like i totally deserve them. I don't know why, I look good I am smart I work out and I have a social life. And it impacts the way our interaction goes and how I behave.
Its normal. That's the issue most guys here have. You just have higher standards.
This is really just a scarcity issue. Since you rarely see a girl you're attracted to, when you do, you get so needy because you know it'll take a while to find the next one so go to a place where there is a concentration of girls that are really hot. Intern for a modeling agency, get into photography/film, or live in Russia. Haha
[–]EnvironmentalTwist 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Is it just your involuntary biology responding to that woman that makes your attraction to her legit?
[–]hunterpua 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Can you rephrase the question? I don't quite get what you're asking.
[–]EnvironmentalTwist 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I'm essentially asking that cases when you see a girl and immediately feel attraction for her, is that your biology at work? I'm saying this because I've had cases where I wasn't attracted to the girl at first, and then over time became attracted to her later.
[–]hunterpua 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
Good. That means you've experienced the full spectrum of attraction.
Its true that attraction can be instantaneous and its also true that attraction can develop over time. Both are legit and both are biological.
You play the game with only two main things: Attraction and Investment. Every other thing we talk about is just under the umbrella of either of those two.
The cool thing is, when one is present, the other will manifest. So when a girl is attracted to you she'll want to invest in you and when a girl invests in you she will develop attraction for you, the same is true for men.
Obviously you know how investment manifests when you're attracted to someone. When you really want to fuck a girl or when you really want to get into a romantic relationship with a girl, you're very willing to do things for her, buy things for her, and you think about her a lot, that's investment.
The way investment to attraction works needs a little more explanation. The easiest way to explain this to yourself is by thinking about everything you value. You'll find that one way or another you have invested in all those things and you see them as a little more special than everything else. Its kinda like how everyone thinks their school is the best or their team is the best, etc.
The timing of your question is great because I made a comment on a different post today explaining how investment makes you attracted to someone. I get a little more detailed there. Just ignore the contextual stuff.
Now the reason I answered OP's question here the way I did is because I don't believe in manipulating yourself into being attracted to someone. They either have to game you, the investment occurs by happenstance, or they're already attractive to you from the beginning.
OP can manipulate himself into being attracted to the girls he already gets by purposefully investing in them but in my opinion he'd limit himself by doing that because he may have the ability to actually get the kind of girls that he currently thinks he doesn't deserve.
[–]EnvironmentalTwister 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
So investing in girls is a bad thing, and just let them do the work themselves? Seems logical.
[–]hunterpua 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
It's not a bad thing. Its only bad when you purposely invest with the intention to make yourself attracted to a girl.
You can still invest just make sure she invests more.
That's what qualification is for.
Most of the time you have to do most of the work in the beginning but all that work is just to set her up so that she'll want to qualify herself to you. That's why you neg & demonstrate value at the start so she'll feel like she has something to prove to you. Once she starts, you want to keep that dynamic of her trying to impress you and chasing you throughout your relationship.
That's where the expression "flip the script" comes from.
[–]oron17 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Then how do I set her up and demonstrate high value without showing that I'm investing by picking her up? In where I live day game and picking girls up that you don't know is considered very weird. And almost every pickup line is cheesy as hell.
[–]hunterpua 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Bullshit. If someone who was a typical guy and didn't know game was secretly watching you pick up chicks anywhere on earth then maybe he'd tell you it's cheezy.
In practice though, when you're actually in front of a girl you've never met, whether its cheezy or not will be decided based on more factors than just what you say or what city you're in.
And like I said in my previous replies on this thread, you can invest in the first part and just turn it around by the second half of your first meeting.
[–]oron17 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Then show me a pickup line that isn't cheesy or weird or needy in the beach because I literally couldn't find. (an opener not a line). And can you also link me to good guides or good books so I could understand your concepts better. Because there are a lot of shit sources.
[–]hunterpua1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMChZC2fopI&t=3055s
He's gonna teach you how to come up with an opener appropriate for any situation.
[–]oron171 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Didn't get the point of the video. He mentions adding value to her, --how can you add value to her on a beach when your are approaching by yourself her whole friend group. Or when you are in a --club party and no girl inside can hear anything that you are saying or outside the club where everyone thinks they are a thug and every bitch thinks she's bad. 1.How can I attract a poser? (I'm not afraid that the girl will shout at me, Im just afraid that she won't give me the time to show her who I am)
If I open by telling them they are pretty they look at me like a beta, and just saying whats up is like who are you?
How can I be hard to get when I approach?
[–]hunterpua2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Woah! Ok so I admit I was a little distracted when I first read and responded to your comment.
I stand by the first half of my response but I think that the second half needs a little editing so this is sort of the revised version...
Btw, in a noisy club where no one can hear you, how do you add value? Easy. Dance with them. If you dance for fun instead of dancing to grope or make out with them then you'll add value because dancing is fun. Hopefully your pursuit of women hasn't made you forget that fact.
If you want to know how to dance in a way that seduces a girl, all you need to do is translate your game to dance. Lets see...comfort, push-pull, qualification, sexual escalation. Pretty much all you need from a communication standpoint to seduce a girl. Dancing comfort = using the same dance moves that she's doing, dancing push-pull = literally pushing her away and pulling her back to you + you can also turn away and dance with other girls on the dance floor then just before she gets discouraged go back to dancing with her, dancing qualification = do a different dance move and challenge her to copy it, you can also lead her to places while dancing, if she follows she's qualifying, dancing sexual escalation = sexy dance moves, if you don't know any, look them up.
Now my bad, you actually do seem pretty socialized. So people outside the club where everyone thinks they're a thug, well, most of them wont act too cool for school if you open them with a hot girl on your arm. You see, there is no rule against already bringing a girl to a club you plan to game in so don't feel like its cheating or that you're short changing yourself. Bring the girls you met on previous days/nights, bring your female friend, bring your sister, it doesn't matter. Again, don't feel guilty if its too easy. I have a hot cousin who I "escort" to the club every now and then, I've gotten laid a ton because of her and she has no idea that her being with me was the reason for all that.
But...if you don't have a girl to bring with you to the club, you can always get inside the club and just get a girl there to bring outside. Do the dancing stuff I told you about if its noisy with a bunch of girls so they'll love you, then tell one of the more receptive girls to go outside with you, just make up any random excuse, even just getting some air is fine. Then you open the groups outside with her on your arm.
If I open by telling them they are pretty they look at me like a beta, and just saying whats up is like who are you
This is extremely doable. Watch RSD infields on their youtube, they open like that all the time. This is more a question of how you open than what you say. So look up opening and try to not look at oversimplified shit. Try to find someone that breaks opening down a little. Can't really explain it via text because I have no idea what you're doing wrong and I'm not planning to exchange 20 comments back & forth with you to critique your "opening form". Just look it up, its easy to find resources on how to open.
I maintain my previous answer for this. She doesn't own your dick the second you open and you can always walk away then come back later in a club or beach so you can talk to other people. You will look like the really social popular guy in the club then they will start to fight for your attention. It would be even better if when you approached each individual you were able to add value because in their mind its like, "Oh I like this feeling...but wait! He's leaving?!" and as they watch you leave they see you talking to other people who are really enjoying your presence. When they see the attention everyone else gives you they'll be like "Fuck, I need to get him back" then they chase and you play hard to get.
Beach - "Hey, look out! Crab!"
Club - "Hey everybody! My friend's getting married. Drinks on me!"
Yeah really dependent on the situation, right? Same with the purse example Adam gave. Which means you're not gonna succeed by asking a bunch of sedditors what to say. You need to learn to come up with your own stuff on the fly.
I was even having second thoughts about giving those two examples.
Also, I'm not sure how socialized you are because its true that so many people want to be seen as if they're the shit but not everyone is an asshole/bitch. Most people are cool and will be very happy to receive a compliment. Go to r/datingadvice to see how insecure and hoping to be validated women are. Don't ask them, just read their posts. Then when you're done checking that out, go out into the real world and judge people not based on preconceived notions but on how they actually behave.
Btw, two answers to how you can be hard to get if you approach: 1. She doesn't own your dick when you approach her. 2. In the beach and club, its really easy because you can always leave, talk to someone else, and play everyone you talk to off of each other, having them compete for you.
It would be a lot harder when you're approaching women on the street because if you walk away before getting her number in that setting, its likely the last you'll ever see of her which is why I just go direct when approaching women on the street.
[–]Okaloha 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I live in Russia, just came back from a daygame. (well, technically I went to work in a coffeeshop, but approached couple of girls during the work / on the way). Ratio or men to woman in malls her is very low,its true. But you still have to be able to communicate effectively. Also, I've lived in the US and I think part of daygame is easier there (specifically approaching part)
So yeah, grass is greener on the other side :)
[–]hunterpua 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Not talking about difficulty. I'm talking about the amount of beautiful girls.
Daygame may be easier for you in the US because girls are less challenging to talk to in general in the US but the ratio of ugly to attractive women in Russia is way lower than in the States.
So if you're looking for a lower concentration of beautiful women but easier daygame come to the US but if you're looking for a higher concentration of beautiful women but harder daygame then go to Russia.
[–]Okaloha 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wouldn't higher concentration of beautiful women together with higher women to men ratio create more demand for men?
[–]hunterpua 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly! OP's problem is that he has a high demand for hot women because there is a low supply of them where he lives. If he moved to Russia that gets flipped upside down so he feels less demand for them given the high supply.
I even said it in my original comment, he has a scarcity issue. Ain't no scarcity where you live.
[–]Okaloha 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess we've all got our issues :D
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