Dates suck. It's hard to get girls to go on dates because dates suck and no one likes to do stuff that sucks. It takes a lot of commitment by both people to even agree to go on a date and when you do finally get a girl on a date, it usually sucks. I don't remember the last time I went on a date with a girl that I wasn't already sleeping with and ended up saying "wow that was awesome, I had such a great time." I do remember but that's not the point lol

Now hanging out with a girl is different. I've hungout with plenty of girls and had a great time. What's the difference you say? Well if I'm going to the grocery store and I call a girl up and tell her I'm going to go pick her up so she can keep me company, plus I just want to see her, then that's hanging out. I can even invite her back to my place while we're at the store so we can cook dinner together, smoke some weed and watch a standup on netflix. Definitely getting laid no doubt about it and the girl will be able to imagine what its like being a part of my life. She's basically experiencing a day in my life first hand.

A date would be me hitting her up and making spacific plans on a set date. It's not spontaneous by nature and its relying on both individuals to attend. A date is a special occasion and it doesnt reflect what a regular day would be like in either persons life. If you are trying to get to know someone then this is one of the worst ways to do that. I only want to go on dates with my girlfriends or someone I already know I like to be around in normal day to day life.

I'm not saying you can't have really successful dates but if you just try to hang out with girls instead of going on typical dates, you will have a lot more success and a lot more opportunities to hang out with women you are attracted to, which is ultimately the point of going on a date in the first place.

It frames things way better to just hangout. I'd much rather be able to just hit a girl up and her come over to my house because we are use to hanging out. There is no equivalent of a date with your guy friends. You just hangout and that's how you become close. I'll just call up my buddies and say hey you wanna go shoot some hoops real quick? And they're just like yeah cool. You want to build that same framework with women. Dates are going to work against that frame.

And that's why I never go on dates. Unless a girl spacifically ask me to take her on a date, then I'll just suck it up. But I still do my best to frame it like we are just hanging out.

Btw, insta dates are a totally different thing.