Seduction is manipulation. When you want something you have to be willing to do what you want to get it. You can’t go up to the store owner and tell him to give you the ps5 because you’re a great guy and you deserve it. You have to work to get the money to afford it. Do not come to seduction because YOU want women because by yourself naturally you’re not getting women, then COMPLAIN about how you hate the idea of being manipulative. Lol what? All of you have mothers, all of you have seen your mothers manipulate the shit out of your father, brothers and yourself. Your mother is a Woman! That is what you want, a woman? So learn the game and stop being brats. If you’re so smart then why is it so hard to learn how to update your software so you attract what you want? If you don’t want it, stfu, but don’t complain here! Save that for r/deadbeds