Some thoughts from a communist

abertsa · 2015-12-01T23:47:58+00:00

laughable.

A MGTOW is concerned about the rights of individuals who voluntarily participate in society. MGTOWS do not want a communist government telling them what to do and how to do it. We are free willed by nature, sir.

CyLoke · 2015-12-01T22:21:38+00:00

Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. ~ Martin Luther King Jr.

Burkean Conservative checking in.

emotionalgoldmine · 2015-12-01T21:31:53+00:00

And next: you should follow the religion that I follow. Stay tuned.

OR:

Something something something revolution. Something something something wage slavery.

OR:

"When all you have is a hammer, all problems looks like a nail."

EDIT: I look forward for a long reply from a certain user. I will put popcorn in the microwave. I really mean it.

EDIT 2: a communist deleting his own support for communism. Why am I not surprised.

ColtsDragoon · 2015-12-02T00:43:56+00:00

To start off, I am an ardent communist. Contrary to popular beliefs, I don't support totalitarianism and mass murder,

Well I strictly adhere to the political tenants of German national socialism. Contrary to popular belief, however I do not also support the extermination of Jews.

MRMRising · 2015-12-02T00:11:17+00:00

Not for me thanks, I don't want The Government or Woman telling me what to do, or where to live. MGTOW's require the option to walk away, that is something that Communism does not allow. Also, Communism requires male servitude, and that is kinda of a big deal around here.

TheQuestion78 · 2015-12-02T00:12:10+00:00

Capitalism forces people to earn money in order to survive.

True point.

Not only that, but it reinforces the idea that more money = better.

Not true point.

Your issue, and the issue of many communists, is that your bunch often makes logical leap that a capitalist structure will inherently construct a certain social consciousness/culture. This is wrong. For many reasons. I can offer you one: the fact that religion can exist within a capitalist structure. What I mean by this is that capitalism does not contradict freedom of religion, and religious ideology often prioritizes the goals of the spiritual over the goals of the secular. So, for example, in western society you see many segments of the population that are super-religious not really caring about making the most amount of money. Think Amish communities, Quakers, etc. In the East, you have (to this day) aesthetic monks and the like who are totally accepted even with the fact that they live in a country that is capitalist (India and other places).

American culture itself has propagated the idea that more money=better life for sure, but this came out of our history where we 1. Had settlers who literally came here JUST for economic reasons and 2. Had events such as the gold rush that helped construct this idea of the "American Dream" (which still links into 1 as well). It is the culmination of these events that led us to where we are but this is inherent in all capitalist countries. For example, in Japan (which is as capitalist as the US) because of the events of their history they have a culture where being a "salary man" is the ideal. The "salary man" isn't about being the richest of them all, but rather being a man with a stable job fulfilling his familial duty of providing for his family. This does link into your point that capitalism forces people to earn money to survive but you can clearly see in this case that maximizing money isn't really a part of the ideal for your average Japanese man.

I may be Libertarian but I don't disagree with your argument because you are communist. Many libertarians make the same sort of argument that "If we have total liberty, people will value X". I always disagree with those arguments too. Culture is way too fluid and constantly changing that you can't say that one particular thing will always cause a culture to be a certain way. Culture is born out of a constant flux of events that aren't always fundamentally connected.

threestagepipeline · 2015-12-02T07:38:58+00:00

Back in university, I self-proclaimed as a communist, but then I realized I only liked the ideal of communism and it would never work in our world.

By eliminating monetary incentives, people will become lazy. And carrying around dead weight is not in my opinion what's good for society.

People will adapt to whatever circumstances they find themselves in. And those that don't die off.

Title	Some thoughts from a communist
Author	emotionalgoldmine
Upvotes	0
Comments	26
Date	December 1, 2015 9:02 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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