What's the point?

MGTOWforLife122 · 2018-07-10T06:30:37+00:00

You are not crazy but subjective which is a valid thing to hold. The society has become a selfish, vindictive, cruel and annoying which solely searches the benefit for itself and no-one else.

However, a family doesn't always mean a wife, a husband and children. A family is also brothers or friends. You simply need to be on the lookout of fellow MGTOWers on the street or even find a few and enjoy your life with them.

I can understand that the picture with brothers/friends doesn't equal to a wife and children but that's just how it is my friend. We crave for things we don't have which means that when you have a family (if you do), you'll be craving for something else.

Hell... find a game and jump in the chat with other MGTOW. I once saw a post where a MGTOWer wanted to play with other MGTOWers and in minutes people started replying with games they play and times.

ZealousMathematician · 2018-07-10T06:44:39+00:00

Life has no meaning. It doesn’t.

So naturally you become nihilistic.

However boredom leads to hedonism, and once pleasure becomes your norm, the lack thereof becomes your depression. Simply being becomes depressive and a person becomes suicidal.

Life is suffering after all and you can’t always be in a pleasurable state. Impossible.

So the argument then is not to suicide because pleasure and death aren’t worth chasing. Since you chose to live, then why do you live?

Well since you are thinking, you determine it. I think therefore I am. You decide your “fate.” And that leads to if your living may as well be the best person you can be, as being less isn’t worth the time being used.

Tipofthemorni · 2018-07-10T06:32:53+00:00

This is going to be a hard path but I will show you the light at the end of the tunnel.

Stay the course on making the most amount of money you can. Society is headed for a collapse so eventually you have to turn those liquid assets into hard assets you can move.

The only societies that will survive will be conservative. Aim to move there by the time that happens, with your assets. You will have a warm family.... but not here.

Yasai101 · 2018-07-10T06:31:54+00:00

I've always enjoyed observing life/people. To see where we go, what cool inventions will come. But I also want to be rich, I want to escape this poverty my whole extended family has been in mainly due to times, bad decisions and family life. Set yourself goals, they truly make a difference. And if you are depressed there's something that needs to change, be it diet or exercise.

_amazingBastard · 2018-07-10T07:34:34+00:00

The future is unpredictable, and people's moods can change often and very quickly - for individuals, this is more so the case for women then men, but don't be mistaken, men also let their emotions blind them, happens to me more times than I can count. Collectively it's an even bigger problem, especially in the age of (mis)information. I don't understand your despair about not being able to share information - theres many different ways of passing on information, it doesn't have to be done through traditional ways. It's easier now more than ever.

Right now you may think you got it all figured out and there's no reason to keep going but if you keep going, you'll most likely be pleasantly surprised - especially if you try to remain as neutral as possible to events outside of your control.

Prophecies are an illusion, you trick yourself all the time in believing things are the way they are, that certain things are unfolding because of some patterns you may have picked up on. Doesn't always mean that any of those things are the absolute truth. These things aren't static, they're constantly changing. Keep that hope and optimism alive within you, and in time you'll feel it's power grow.

vito670 · 2018-07-10T06:54:17+00:00

i can't tell you what is good for you, only you know that , but one thing i always advice young guys is to exercise , you don't have to become an athlete but do a little bit of lifting and stretching , if you don't like gyms you can always buy a pair of dumbbells for home , it's the answer to your problems but it will help reduce the stress levels and help you focus on what you really want to do in life

PPressley9 · 2018-07-10T07:11:46+00:00

My take on it is there is no definitive point to our existence. All I know is that I am alive and conscious and plan to be for a couple more years lol. So for me, I wake up every day and focus on making myself happy and loving myself. Whatever else happens is just life. Life happens to us all and it happens until it's over. So, while I'm here, I'm going to prioritize my enjoyment and quality of life. Beyond that I can't control anything else, so let the chips fall wherever they may and keep on going.

If you must have a purpose to life, make your purpose about making yourself as happy, healthy, and prosperous as possible. Keep close those that love and appreciate you and separate from anyone that isn't bringing you joy and happiness.

Good luck man! It gets better I promise. Much love.

SimplyKaz · 2018-07-10T11:23:07+00:00

Think outside of the box.

Fuck whatever goals other people have put on you. If you want a family, who said that a family has to be a wife with 2.5 kids? It doesn't! Your family can be a network of close friends and a dog if you really wanted it to be so.

You don't need to pass anything on to a kid. If anything, having another kid in today's society is more harm than good. Find someone who wants to learn your craft and teach them to be your protégé.

Stop thinking about taxes as you can't do anything about it. Stoic mindset.

I can't blame you for thinking the way you do, as I used to think exactly the same. But when you start to think creatively, you can see that every single aspect of a traditional woman can be replaced easily by something else. And you'll get more of it too. It won't all come in one neat little package but you can certainly have it.

Companionship: Best Friends

Love: Pets and family

Sex: Whores and Hookers

Fulfilment: Work and keeping busy

Support: Friends and family

Leaving a Legacy: Teach people who want to learn and have a positive impact

Children: If you REALLY must have your own kid, there are ways to do this without a bitch in the picture

Loyalty: Friends and family

Housework: Hire a cleaner/chef (it's much cheaper than a wife)

Disregard the way you've been taught to think and act, and you'll see that a modern women has NOTHING to offer that you can't find elsewhere.

Best of luck brother

XFinalPhantom · 2018-07-10T06:49:01+00:00

Their is do much to do in life. Why stop living because you want a family. Families are overated anyway. Media potrayed having a family is great when you were younger. Its only media and not true, thats why you feel this way.

2018-07-10T07:16:05+00:00

Find a mission- art, business, hieroglyphics, scientific research, astrology, whatever.

All that matters is that you find something you are passionate about and can dedicate your life to.

Make enough money to survive and follow your mission and you'll be content.

Women, friends, society, etc, all that which is external can never be controlled. Thus, there is no point in worrying over that which cannot be controlled.

KaitouNala · 2018-07-10T10:17:44+00:00

First off, as some one who has had a similar struggle especially after learning the truth here and despairing for a bit because of it.

If you are feeling like doing anything drastic get help first and foremost, after that learn to be content and happy with yourself. funny thing this was always good dating advice too but fuck that shit, make you/yourself and only you the #1 in your life.

instead of killing yourself in some corporate rat race if you can help it try to live a minimalist life style, figure out what you need per year to support your day to day living costs and your hobbies and have enough to save towards retirement.

by living a minimalist lifestyle your labor might benefit the company but your money will primarily benefit you (until at least which point they invent an actual batchelor tax... then we are all fucked)

make your purpose in life to be happy, what you wanted is an illusion, you wanted the validation and the "happiness" of a family, it is possible to be happy without a family.

you are not crazy but ultimately life is kinda... we exist to fuck and die so that our kids can fuck and die if you really boil it down to the basics, even within the scope of a family sense isn't that just as futile and pointless? rather my point is life is what you make of it.

you don't need to a "profound" calling per say, i myself am somewhat still adrift too still without a purpose now that i realized that goal on the horizon is just an illusion at best and a death trap at worse.

i'm getting by with making small personal goals (working on losing weight) and just enjoying my time off work, reading novels/manga, watching anime and playing video games. it's not much but its what makes me content. find what makes you content. (i feel you on the material possessions bit, i only really buy what i need to support my hobbies and no more)

thepimpartist · 2018-07-10T14:10:31+00:00

That's because you see work as just a source of money. Find something you actually like doing.

High_Testosterone · 2018-07-10T11:04:30+00:00

I dont know man, you gotta find something to life for or something to work towards.

thotless_rat_bastard · 2018-07-10T11:47:26+00:00

There's lots of good advice here. I found my way to be outside the country.

There are problems like anywhere but at least I don't have to fear someone saying I raped them just because I looked in their direction.

atmajazone · 2018-07-10T12:45:19+00:00

Once you pass your rage phase, you will find that there is more in life than just making family.

jackanger · 2018-07-11T18:21:07+00:00

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings. Just goes to show you and I are not alone. I too am so lost. Deep. No direction or purpose. Looking for a reason to pick myself up. Standing strong, but what for? Food and learning to play guitar (and now MGTOW) is what keeps me going. With that said... I'll be homeless soon at this rate. I don't do drugs but I really started drinking about 7 months ago. Alcohol feels better, (It really does!) but does not help.

You, and the motivating replies to this thread have shed some light for me. I should try to persevere. Again, thanks for the thread.

weirdfish42 · 2018-07-12T04:28:42+00:00

Can't speak for your needs, for me, I wanted those things as well, and I've had to shift my focus and answer a lot of those questions.

As far as why work, well, I love what I do. I 100% enjoy going to work. Taxes are a necessary evil tied to working in this society. While I can't avoid them, going my own way has allowed me to change my standard of living, start my own business, and do things as close to my own way as possible.

Material things in and of themselves don't turn me on, I own inexpensive durable clothes, a practical car, and 0 bling. My favorite hobbies require material goods, and I like having high quality toys to pursue those hobbies. Nice snowboard, multiple gaming consoles, planning on a new motorcycle come spring.

As for passing things on, just because you don't have a child doesn't mean you can't share what you know. I teach about five people a year to snowboard, share technical knowledge with nieces and nephews, teach random kids at the skatepark new tricks.

You can mentor people at work, you can volunteer your time to a cause you believe in.

We all handle this in different ways, I know I went through a severe anger phase. Changing my plan from "Work hard, provide for wife and family, be happy" to "Work at what you love, be happy", has been one of the hardest things I've done. I can't count the number of times I've sabotaged myself when the "wait, how can I be happy without a wife and child?" thoughts made me feel I wasn't allowed to be happy.

I am not going to tell you everything is going to be roses, that is totally up to you. Your whole world view and life plan was contingent on satisfying other people, you need to figure out what you want.

Best of luck in what ever you do. I for one can say no, you aren't crazy, I've been there.

gsharm · 2018-07-14T18:52:00+00:00

Society even at its best can not fulfil Man. Only hope for something beyond. Read Peter Drucker’s essay on Kierkegaard.

Beebs81 · 2018-07-10T13:31:26+00:00

I've been there too OP.

What you need to understand, there is a huge biological change going in you right now. Seeing the world for what it really is. The last time I went through this was when my parents told me there was no Santa - total shock.

It gets better, trust me!

How many people around you with families are happy? I'm not talking about the fake ones who always put on a show. Most people I see and talk to envy my lifestyle of "Do what I want, when I want".

It takes a little time to get on the right path but in time it will open up more doors and opportunities than you think.

MrMagtow · 2018-07-10T14:44:18+00:00

You have your self-worth pegged to “The Pussy Index”. Time to go deeper and learn your responses are natural, but a Blue Pill lie. Harvey Specter-UP!

rooster-one4 · 2018-07-10T15:20:04+00:00

A lot of us that were military feel this after leaving the military; As annoying as daily life could be sometimes, we always had a purpose. I've reflected on this quite a bit since before and now after retirement. The simple thing is that it's hard because we lose that daily purpose with the same dudes stuck in the same suck everyday. We lose that experience of being up for days and seeing shit because we're so tired, and we miss that stupid fucking joke someone told that was only funny because we were so tired, and 15 years later I can only remember that one stupid fucking joke.

You have to find purpose; it doesn't mean finding it with a group of people but it will happen. I try to volunteer. I volunteered for many years building trails for mountain biking, and I do now with amateur radio. I volunteer to help my buddy's budding business grow and offer to be his cheap labor since I'm pretty skilled at lifting heavy things and stacking them.

Marriage isn't a destination though, that's for certain. Experience should be the destination, and the things along the route being part of it. If you look at a woman as a goal, well you will/are experiencing how women look at men, as the goal, as a reward for <insert snark here>. A successful career is also subjective as hell. Success is measured in other ways than money, it's also measured in skill you've acquired, people you have met, experiences you have gained, and how you feel at the end of the day, such as did you help someone today and it was truly appreciated.

You have to learn to be a leader to yourself, providing that purpose, direction and motivation. You have to become the man of your dreams, and guide that man to a path. Finding what that path is might be hard, but it'll help if you stop chasing the things that happen to the destination as the destination itself.

AppreciateYa · 2018-07-10T16:05:54+00:00

I've felt the same way-- like my life purpose is simply to be a financial instrument to others (hey, I am in debt after all).

I'm also not materialistic. Very minimalist.

But ya know what? I fucking love learning, reading, and traveling.

What makes you happy? What do you enjoy? Set goals around those and work towards them.

Here's the thing about purpose, bro: we have to create our own purpose.

You have to decide your purpose-- I hope it's to achieve challenging and rewarding goals that you set for yourself. But it can be anything. You create your life, your purpose, and your happiness.

Although there are folks, very successful folks, who work for something "higher than themselves" i.e. their goal is to basically help another person or group of people. And that's freakin awesome too-- Whatever drives you.

"What do you want to have, do, or be?" --> answering this question could help you create a goal or set of goals.

feoen · 2018-07-10T19:29:10+00:00

"The blooming flower loses its petals too soon. Weeds grow where they are unwanted."

This quote from Zen philosophy says that we often wish our circumstances weren't the case. We wish the flowers would stay eternally blooming, that weeds would stop appearing. But by wishing for the impossible, we become distressed.

Wishing that women's nature was any different than it is will simply bring unhappiness.

You can have a family. You can build that. But you will do so with the knowledge of AWALT.

2018-07-10T23:16:27+00:00

Red pill grief cycle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E6JDuNgdY8

Finding your purpose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1qXefiU_HY

Breaking through rage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG-hJZHxgJY

gromdoom34 · 2018-07-10T07:22:28+00:00

Adopt a child

Title	What's the point?
Author	IntrovertedMagma
Upvotes	37
Comments	27
Date	July 10, 2018 6:19 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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