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Teacher quietly gets felony changed to misdemeanor after having sex with one of her students.

Ziiner

May 22, 2015
314 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.wwltv.com/story/news/local/investigations/mike-perlstein/2015/05/21/sex-student-dufresene-teacher/27710227/
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Title Teacher quietly gets felony changed to misdemeanor after having sex with one of her students.
Author

Ziiner

Upvotes 314
Comments 33
Date May 22, 2015 1:10 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/36vgm5/teacher_quietly_gets_felony_changed_to/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/teacher-quietly-gets-felony-changed-to-misdemeanor.979568
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[–]Bearded_Deity 24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, it must just be awesome to be a woman in society. Rape underage kids.....be a shitty parent and still win custody battles....like wtf man...

If this was a male teacher, and a 16 year old girl, we as a society would be NAILING HIM TO THE CROSS! He would be forced to register as a sex offender, he'd have a felony on his record, and never be able to teach or anything ever again. We would ruin his life by saying a "16 year old girl doesnt know what shes doing! You raped her!"

But by god, you're a 16 year old boy? You probably wanted it, and so it isn't as bad.

God I hate this hypocritical BULL SHIT.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

His life would be just as easily destroyed if an underaged girl lied and said they had consensual sex.

[–]Bearded_Deity -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True story. Which even makes it MORE sad.

[–]DavidByron2 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Pussypass or corrupt judges?

Dufresne is the daughter of St. Charles Judge Emile St. Pierre.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both. The backlash from cutting this deal for a male teacher would have been too severe. Having a judge father would have probably helped a male teacher, but it certainly wouldn't turn multiple rapes into a freaking misdemeanor plea.

[–]Ziiner[S] 23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Here is a quote from the article, apparently she also had a threesome with the student and another adult on a separate occasion.

Police say that encounter took place after a Destrehan High School football game in Jefferson. The two women were booked in Jefferson Parish, but the district attorney's has not determined whether to file formal charges.

The kid was 16, and she had sex with him multiple times, and judging by the articles about her, she didn't get put on the sex offender list. Now lets all imagine if this was a male teacher... This is some pure pussypass.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Sounds more like a judges kid pass?

[–]Ziiner[S] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/36swov/male_teaching_assistant_who_had_sex_at_school/crgvk3h

It is happening way too often, and only for females. Society doesn't take statutory rape against boys seriously, and neither does our own government.

[–]eletheros 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Society doesn't take statutory rape against boys seriously when the perpetrator is female.

Fixed.

[–]Lawtonfogle 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Statutory rape was originally only a crime against white pure females in the US who were really young (below 8 to 12). Feminist expanded it to cover far more girls and eventually boys, but the latter was really done as an attack on gay men and not women (note that age of consent for homosexuals cases has historically be higher and romeo and juliet exceptions have often excluded homosexual couples from being protected), as seen by how the courts have since handled such cases.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We're doing this wrong. We need to stop pushing for women to be punished more and instead make it a slap on the wrist when we do it amiright myman!

[–]Step_Your_Gains_Up -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pussy pass confirmed.

[–]Vandredd 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No surprises here. Daughter of a judge gets cushy deal under the cover of dark, nothing to see here folks. Now that's some privilege

[–]ZimbaZumba 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The uplifting part of this that the Crime Commission is on top of this and has sent it to the Attorney General. There may be no free pass here.

[–]abcIDontKnowTheRest 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Let me start by saying that I don't agree with this at all, as if the genders were reversed, there would be no leeway and probably greater pressure.

That being said, I have little problem with the actual event/relationship. This may be my bias because I'm Canadian (age of consent here is 16). Although in this case because there's a relationship of authority (teacher-student), that is raised to 18 years old. In Louisiana, the age of consent is 17 (21 for authority figures); if one were to delve into it further, how close was the boy to turning 17 at the time they had sexual relations?

The whole point of an age of consent, IIRC, is because of a mental development/maturity issue. I know the law provides little to no leeway, but an argument could be made that if he was close enough to the age of consent, he had the effective maturity and soundness of mind in order to make such an informed decision.

It was an entirely consensual affair and AFAIK she did not use her authority over him in any way to entice him or coerce him into these acts (i.e. "sleep with me and you'll get 100% final grade" or something along those lines).

IMO, there should be no age difference for sexual relationships whether a relationship of authority exists or not. As long as there is no abuse of that authority (which should not happen at any age, even if both adults are 30+, as this is not true consent, but coerced consent).

Let me reiterate that in the eyes of laws as written, I do not condone or endorse what has happened. I still believe that she should be charged accordingly (felony, sex offender registry, the whole bit). That being said, I also believe that some changes might be in order for legal systems regarding ages of consent - someone who is legally allowed to have sex should not be punished (or cause their partner to be punished) because they have a secondary age of consent to pass...and certainly not a 4 year difference.

[–]MR_Movement 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When only one half of the population is punished by a law while the other half is helped, there is little to no hope of it ever being changed. Until women are punished equally then they have zero incentive to fight against the unjust laws. The only hope we have of getting these laws changed is to get the women to rally with us. That will only happen when it starts to affect them.

[–]abcIDontKnowTheRest 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is absolutely true.

[–]eletheros 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

if one were to delve into it further, how close was the boy to turning 17 at the time they had sexual relations?

That's actually irrelevant.

In Louisiana, if a random person has sex with a sixteen year old, that's statutory rape. If a teacher has sex with a seventeen year old, that's rape. By law, consent cannot be given in such a situation. Rape is considered a more severe crime than statutory rape, and a person can be charged with both simultaneously.

This woman has been given a pass at every opportunity, she was charged, and plead guilty to felony obscenity, not rape. This is a charge that has been laid against men for playing porn on a Wal-Mart DVD player so that it's played publicly. It's completely absurd to apply the charge to sexual contact.

The timeline of events means she was presented an original plea deal that would never have been presented to a man, plead guilty to it, and then had the prosecutor unilaterally reduce that deal even further.

[–]abcIDontKnowTheRest 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

if one were to delve into it further, how close was the boy to turning 17 at the time they had sexual relations?

This was actually relevant to the point that I was trying to make in that the age of consent is related to maturity. A difference of 1-3 months between a 16 and 17 year old has no real impact on their maturity; there is no magical switch that flips that suddenly makes you mature or of sound mind and body.

And I'd be curious to know where you've sourced your definitions and information.

Rape as a whole is defined as non-consensual sexual intercourse, often through forcible means, but not strictly just by force. Statutory rape, on the other hand, is a form of rape that is consensual sexual intercourse with someone below the age of consent (but above the age of a child). The reason it is classified as a type rape is because the person cannot legally provide consent, as they are below the legal age of consent. This takes a number of names depending on jurisdiction, but is commonly referred to as statutory rape, sexual assault, carnal knowledge of a minor, etc.

In this case, just because this is a teacher and student relationship does not make it rape and I defy you to find a source that proves otherwise. In fact, I'll do you one better: I'll just prove you wrong. As per the Revised Statutes of Louisiana, Title 14 (Criminal Law), subsection 81.4 (Prohibited sexual conduct between educator and student)

§81.4. Prohibited sexual conduct between educator and student

A. Prohibited sexual conduct between an educator and a student is committed when any of the following occur:

(1) An educator has sexual intercourse with a person who is seventeen years of age or older, but less than twenty-one years of age, where there is an age difference of greater than four years between the two persons, when the victim is not the spouse of the offender and is a student at the school where the educator is assigned, employed, or working at the time of the offense.

So, as per written law, an educator (teacher) and student CAN have sexual intercourse as long as the student is 21 or older and the age difference is not greater than 4 years. Therefore, since there is a situation in which they are legally allowed to have sexual relations, it cannot be simply because it is an educator/student relationship that it is considered rape.

If you're going to argue with someone so defiantly, I would suggest you check your "facts", especially before you go throwing around the word rape. While what was done here is unarguably a form of rape, it was still consensual (even if not legally so) and would usually carry a somewhat lighter sentence AFAIK.

I also agree that the initial sentence was already lighter than it should have been (being felony carnal knowledge of a juvenile) but it in no way should have been standard rape. She's had it easy from the start, but again we must remember that there was still consent given (again, not legally so) and therefore some leeway is allowable.

[–]eletheros 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So, as per written law, an educator (teacher) and student CAN have sexual intercourse as long as the student is 21 or older and the age difference is not greater than 4 years.

As I said, a teacher and a 17 year old, so totally not relevant.

[–]abcIDontKnowTheRest 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you so quick as to forget your own comment?

In Louisiana, if a random person has sex with a sixteen year old, that's statutory rape. If a teacher has sex with a seventeen year old, that's rape.

So you specifically made the distinction that teacher was the relevant deciding factor of differentiation between statutory rape and rape. What I pointed out to you is that teachers can have sex with students under certain conditions. Therefore, my comment is extremely relevant.

[–]Unenjoyed 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Ughh...

Pedophilic sex crimes perpetrated by a mandatory reporter (all teachers) coupled with nepotism among civic leaders.

It just doesn't get any greasier than that.

[–]chinawinsworlds 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

It's not pedophilia. But the point is, men would be punished severely harder for the same crime.

[–]Unenjoyed -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

The State of Louisiana's age of consent definition disagrees with you.

The facts seem to point to predatory pedophilia in this case.

[–]chinawinsworlds 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Age of consent != pedophilia border. Pedophilia has a medical definition, it's about prepubescent children. Her behaviour is in much higher degree natural. Abuse of power I believe, but not pedophilia.

[–]Unenjoyed 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps I've misread the Wikipedia page on pedophilia and misunderstood the Louisiana statute on the age of consent.

By my reading, the nice teacher meets the clinical definition of pedophilia.

What did I miss?

[–]autowikibot 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pedophilia:


Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger. As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years of age, but adolescents must be at least five years older than the prepubescent child for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia.


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[–]chinawinsworlds 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It has to be a primary or exclusive attraction to prepubescent CHILDREN. 16 year olds are not children and are adult in many ways.

[–]Unenjoyed 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Pedophiles are not required to exclusively attracted to children. That's right in the definition.

Again, according to La, people 17 and younger are legally children.

[–]chinawinsworlds 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But not literally and biologally. We must keep the medical definition away from politics.

I am not a pedo to be attracted to 14 year olds with big boobs, red lips and a developed body.

[–]Unenjoyed 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We must keep the medical definition away from politics.

That statement seems counter intuitive if the intention is to protect children against the predations of dysfunctional adults, outward physical appearance not withstanding at all.

[–]chinawinsworlds 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

No, the intention is to keep knowledge factual. That is what pedophilia is. It's not about changing the law of minors and sex or anything, just call apples what they are; apples. Not oranges.

What I meant by keeping them separated is that law should not change what we already know as facts! I guess it could be misunderstood as something else.

[–]autotldr 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot)


St. Charles Parish District Attorney Joel Chaisson II personally handled the matter 24 hours after the plea, amending Dufresne's charge to a misdemeanor and allowing an ad hoc judge to accept a fresh new guilty plea over the telephone.

In a written statement, Chaisson noted that Dufresne's terms of probation remain the same under the new plea.

Goyeneche said many laws were not followed when Dufresne entered her new plea, including the fact that there is no jail time for misdemeanor obscenity, meaning that none can be imposed if Dufresne violates her probation.


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