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Judgement

3happy5u

January 20, 2016
127 upvotes
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Title Judgement
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3happy5u

Upvotes 127
Comments 23
Date January 20, 2016 6:57 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/41vrml/judgement/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/judgement.958100
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Comments

[–]Clockw0rk 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

More of a 'MensRants' post, IMO.

The double standard is true, and unfortunate, but there's not enough here to have any sort of meaningful discussion or engagement on rights.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure there is: Women who complain that women have it bad (damseling) are ridiculous.

Don't listen to them, and don't let them get in your way.

[–]chavelah 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

... and don't adopt their obnoxious behavior and become equally obnoxious yourself.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guarantee you: the cartoonist in question is not a virgin.

It's called a rhetorical point, and it's about "slut-shaming." Apparently, over your head.

The next time someone comes on this group complaining about how he's a virgin and cant get laid, you're free to point out that it's nobody's obligation to sleep with anyone, just as you'll say it's okay to not date or not marry someone because (s)he's been a slut.

What's your problem here?

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ouch...

[–]Rikvidr 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"But he's just a neckbeard virgin, and he doesn't drive a rangerover!"

[+]chavelah -11 points-10 points-9 points 10 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

This is the menrights subreddit. Take your terper whining elsewhere.

[–]3happy5u[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Define "terper whining"

[+]chavelah -11 points-10 points-9 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

In this case it would be "women don't find me desirable, so obviously sooooooomething is wrong with theeeeeeeeem."

If you are a thirty-year-old involuntary virgin (of either sex) living in the developed world, then the problem is you. Not the matriarchy, not the patriarchy, not the media or the dating apps or the Chad or the Staceys. It's you. Nobody owes you their attention, and nobody is going to give you any attention until you stop being so flagrantly unappealing.

[–]TheDude41 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

HINT: I don't think the guy who wrote that cartoon is actually a virgin.

[–]chavelah 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course not. I meant "you" in the general sense.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm willing to bet there are no virgins contributing to this thread at all, whatsoever.

What are you taking about?

Free to specificy who, exactly, here, is a virgin if you have information to know.

[–]3happy5u[S] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you missed the point of the comic.

[+]chavelah -9 points-8 points-7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the comic does not make a valid point.

[–]levelate 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you know it does.

and you are being disingenuous.

[–]skee_ 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nobody owes you their attention

Lol you sound just like Anita Sarkeesian.

We get it: male virgins make you feel icky. Same as sluts make men feel icky (at least when it comes to long term relationships). That's what this comic is pointing out: the usual feminist double standard. Indeed I was just reading Against Men's Rights and the top-voted comment was something like, "for a bunch of guys who've never had sex they sure are concerned about cuckolding."

This is an example of (unsupported) female shaming language. Male virgins are supposed to be "lesser" beings (as you imply) when in fact female sexual selection is extremely shallow, and sometimes selects for negative traits like psychopathy. Any two-bit crack dealer can get laid on a regular basis, whereas some awesome men (and to a lesser extent, women) have a tough go of it. We should show compassion to these men in the same way that feminists show compassion to fat women. However, because you are gynocentric you assume that a man's value should be judged by women.

You also need to check your ableism. Men with eg autism, or some physical disability, may have a very difficult time getting laid; indeed some countries are starting to provide prostitution services to said disabled men, which is a great idea.

And in case you were wondering, not that it matters, but no I'm not a virgin and yes I am currently in a relationship.

[–]chavelah 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ableism? Jesus Christ.

Virgins of either sex don't make me feel icky. Promiscuous people of either sex don't make me feel icky. But neither do I find it unacceptable when other people are put off by a potential partner who has an unusual sexual history. If your sexual behavior is way outside the cultural norm, it's a fairly decent indication that you may be fucked up. Both the feminist and the terper in this comic are being completely unreasonable.

Look at your own examples! Autistic people and fat people don't have trouble getting laid because their desired partners are "shallow." They have trouble getting laid because there is actually something wrong with them. They are objectively undesirable as partners. In the case of autism or a physical disability it's rotten luck, and in the case of obesity it's a self-inflicted and curable condition... but there is no problem with society that needs to be addressed here. The problems exist at the level of the individual.

I reiterate - if you (general you) are a 30-year-old involuntary virgin in the Western world, there is something wrong with you. Stop whining, stop looking for somebody else to blame, and work on your damn self. (If you can't, because you are disabled, then I agree that society should help you out with therapeutic sex workers, etc.)

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both the feminist and the terper in this comic are being completely unreasonable.

Except there is no TERPer in this cartoon.

Stop whining, stop looking for somebody else to blame, and work on your damn self.

Now you're sounding like the TERPer.

[–]34565645645 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you not realize you don't get this time back?

You're not as smart as you think you are.

[–]levelate -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thanks chavelah

our strongest supporter.

[–]TheDude41 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What's wrong with not dating or marrying a woman because you consider her a "slut?"

[–]chavelah 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing. Just as there is nothing wrong with not dating or marrying a virgin. That was my point - this comic portrays it as somehow problematic that an unusual sexual history is generally not an asset in the dating world. It's not problematic.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this comic portrays it as somehow problematic that an unusual sexual history is generally not an asset in the dating world.

No. This cartoon is pointing out that females are damseling hypocrites when they claim they are always faultless and are always above commentary.

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