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Australian newspaper story on the new feminist indoctrination program in schools: "Masculinity is not to blame for domestic violence"

EricAllonde

October 24, 2016
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Title Australian newspaper story on the new feminist indoctrination program in schools: "Masculinity is not to blame for domestic violence"
Author

EricAllonde

Upvotes 72
Comments 16
Date October 24, 2016 2:53 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/592cna/australian_newspaper_story_on_the_new_feminist/
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Comments

[–]BDMR_lurker 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was an enthusiastic student of gender studies at university. I lapped up feminist, post-structuralist, and Marxist gender theory because it was radical and fascinating, and it suddenly opened up almost limitless possibilities

Which explains how the author implicitely posits that domestic violence is a purely male-on-female occurence.

But we all need to stand together against it, and men — even those hegemonic Aussie males — need to be a critical part of the solution.

The radical idea that men could be allowed a say in society.

If we keep framing men and masculinity as the problem, we will lose the community consensus

Fem-talk for:

"We need men to do the dirty work for us, we are antogonising our slaves, sorry, allies."

Also, "the war of sexes we've been fostering for decades is turning into a war of sexes, and we're very much afraid we'll lose."

.

Even 'moderate' feminists are now nothing more than sexist supremacists.

[–]AVAtistar 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, "he for she"?

[–]Badgerz92 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why is this archived? Give them clicks

http://www.couriermail.com.au/rendezview/masculinity-is-not-to-blame-for-domestic-violence/news-story/a7bd0c517e95845d23dbd60fd8993db7?nk=1acfe441146d685093db0a28c14b71e7-1477313323

[–]EricAllonde[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Only because I didn't know if there's an intermittent paywall on that site, the way there is on the Australian's site.

[–]splodgenessabounds 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't know if there's an intermittent paywall

There was when I looked.

[–]splodgenessabounds 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

D'you know, were it not for the fact that I've dwelt on reddit (mostly this sub) for a few years I would not have the faintest clue what "heteronormativity" or "cisgender" or "hegemonic masculinity" were even referring to. And I'm 56.

I cannot begin to get my head round what the effects of hearing these terms for the first time on a 9yo child will be, let alone how the fcuk they are supposed to process and assimilate their meanings when they haven't even worked out what their respective generative organs are, assuming they can even reliably identify whereabouts they might be.

Perhaps I'm too old, perhaps I'm too dim. But I sometimes wonder if the declining rates of literacy and numeracy in schoolchildren isn't something to do with taking up valuable school hours filling their heads with shit they don't understand, don't comprehend and don't need to know about.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, I wish schools put more emphasis on practical skills boys and girls can use in the real world of work like how to use a cash register, how use tools, how to cook, how to fix computers, how to build things and learn useful trades like welding, etc that way they would have useful skills when they graduate.

[–]EricAllonde[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But I sometimes wonder if the declining rates of literacy and numeracy in schoolchildren isn't something to do with taking up valuable school hours filling their heads with shit they don't understand, don't comprehend and don't need to know about.

I'm pretty sure there's some truth to that.

Plus the fact that teachers don't/can't tell kids when they fail any longer. No matter how badly they do at something, they still get an award for trying.

[–]splodgenessabounds 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No matter how badly they do at something, they still get an award for trying

In one sense, I can sort of understand the well-meaning principle underlying that approach. Back when I was at skool, if you were rubbish at maths or English or whatever, you got an F (Fail) and were publicly embarrassed (not to mention a bollocking from the old man when they got your school report). For many individuals (I might have been one of them), failing and shaming is not the most useful approach to getting the best out of them. So, yes, I can quite accept that the educational models used when I was a kiddie needed to change. Where I think this spectrum shift (to "everyone gets a prize") has fcuked up is that it fails to properly nurture those who have a natural proclivity for a particular discipline, as if any child with a talent must be brought down to the lowest common denominator.

Humility - yes. Adopting approaches that recognise differing ways of learning - yes. Bigging up the dullards - no.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You do the kids no favour by deluding them. One day they will be adults.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People said that when I was a kid. It wasn't really true then in most things, just peewee baseball and a bowling and shit like that. Most things, I remember you know who won and who lost. If you failed horribly, you were told.

[–]Demonspawn -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I would not have the faintest clue what "heteronormativity" or "cisgender" or "hegemonic masculinity" were even referring to.

Hetronormativity: people upset that 95% of the world is straight.

Cisgender: people upset that 99.5% of the world is not trans.

Hegmonic masculinity: People upset that men are men.

[–]wasabean 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, the Cisgender at least is just a way to describe non-trans people in a shorter way or if you want to differentiate between them clearly (cis, trans is much more efficient than people-who-are-normal or people-who-were-born-without-brain-defects-that-make-them-believe-they're-the opposite-sex). Though yes, it has been abused to shame people, which I very much disagree with.

[–]Demonspawn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, the Cisgender at least is just a way to describe non-trans people in a shorter way

We already have that: transgender vs normal.

It's like creating a label for people with two eyes or for people having five fingers.

[–]wasabean 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But normal can mean anything. Though I have to admit you have a good point. I guess we could do without the word, but at times it can make discourse easier.

Kind of like we could use normal instead of mentally stable, but mentally stable describes in which way they are normal.

I understand where you're coming from, but it's not always used as propaganda.

As I said, though, it often is... And that's very unfortunate. Not being trans IS normal, but people like to pretend when it suits their agenda.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They may start believing that their gender renders them aggressive, selfish, cold, and far more likely to lead violent and abusive lives.

Start believing? You must be very old.

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