France makes mental violence a crime, embraces presumption of mens' guilt

kloo2yoo · 2010-02-26T21:45:22+00:00

In France, Mr. Vivet said, there is another such law, on “moral harassment,” which is “very difficult to implement and hard to establish, because we need elements of proof.”

The law “is paved with good intentions, but we are extremely doubtful about it,” he said. “It relies on the central idea that a woman who files a complaint tells the truth, so it relies on a presumption of guilt, while French law is based on a presumption of innocence.”

2010-02-27T00:38:09+00:00

THOUGHTCRIME

ignatiusloyola · 2010-02-27T10:17:41+00:00

Every relationship that I know of that involves emotional abuse has been reciprocal.

Good luck, France.

cryptogirl · 2010-02-26T23:15:21+00:00

A few points. First, it's not actually law yet - it still has to pass the Senate (although that does seem likely). Second, the law is gender neutral; male victims of psychological abuse will be protected as well as female victims. Third, despite the quote from a critic of the law, I don't see how this shifts the presumption of innocence - the same burden of proof will apply. The problem is that psychological abuse is likely to be difficult to prove. These issues are related, but different.

windynights · 2010-02-28T00:05:45+00:00

Why is it that when you see the word French or France you immediately assume you're about to read something annoying and stupid?

Title	France makes mental violence a crime, embraces presumption of mens' guilt
Author	kloo2yoo
Upvotes	28
Comments	16
Date	February 26, 2010 9:45 PM UTC (16 years ago)
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