Most participants thought the term toxic masculinity insulting, probably harmful to boys, and unlikely to help men's behaviour. Most participants said they would be unhappy if their masculinity or femininity were blamed for their work or relationship problems.

NoMoreMisterMaybe · 2020-12-31T21:47:33+00:00

Essentially being told your manhood or womanhood is negative to the point of it being poisonous to others, is not something people appreciate.

Gosh, who would've thought? People hate being blamed for their biology. It is almost as if this should be common freaking sense.

ProphetOfChastity · 2021-01-01T02:53:44+00:00

Toxic masculinity isn't a legitimate concept. It is just thinly veiled misandry. Feminists know they can't really get away with hating on all men so toxic masculinity is the stand in they bring forward to attack men under the guise of trying to help. You know this because:

A) There is no interest in discussing and dwelling on and blaming toxicity in any other demographic, like toxic blackness, toxic femininity, toxic Islam, toxic homosexuality, etc.

B) Typical definitions of toxic masculinity either just reduce down to normal masculinity, or things that are not innately masculine (i.e. things that lots of women do too or just other attitudes the left likes to seem as bad, such as homophobia as if only men are guilty of it), or things that are extremely rare caricatures of masculinity.

C) Any time men try to do the things which feminists say would make them less toxic, like express emotions more, etc., the feminists even police and make fun of that. They don't want men being emotional about the raw deal they get in society, for example, because that just makes them pathetic incels of course.

D) Feminists never want to talk about how toxic masculinity hurts men. Just like when they say patriarchy hurts men. It is just facile lip service they will mention, and then immediately proceed to their actual complaints about how the toxic masculinity is really a problem for women and marginalized people. They don't give a shit about men, suicide rates, abuse, male disposability, physical and mental health challenges etc.

E) They deploy the concept of toxic masculinity with an intersectional lens, revealing that it is nothing more than a rhetorical device. It is almost always turned against white men because they know they would run afoul of the other SJWs if they hinted that black or Arab or asian men had any toxicity to them. So we get garbage like that Gillette ad where men were all violent harassing bullying rapists in waiting, but at least the black man could swing in and save some poor woman from a white man who was about to approach her.

dukunt · 2021-01-01T01:21:30+00:00

If a man works hard and becomes successful it's because of the patriarchy. If a woman works hard and becomes successful it's entirely merit based. She earned it. You've come a long way baby!!

It has nothing to do with women getting preferential treatment for school, hiring, loans, legal system etc... Nothing at all....

But with all this female empowerment, female happiness is in a decline. Many women are getting a taste of equality and they don't like it. The grass isn't so green over here on the men's side after all is it?

Mario6416 · 2020-12-31T21:50:27+00:00

I just really hate it when people say that word.

mhandanna · 2021-01-01T04:25:27+00:00

from mensmod:

Point 1: By calling it "toxic masculinity" feminists are using plausible deniability to associate masculinity with toxicity, while claiming that isn't what they are doing. That is exactly what they are doing, and it is raising a generation of boys who want to be "woke" by hating their own gender. There are plenty of other terms that could be used, or phrases, or other ways of making the point if that is what they wanted to do.

Point 2: There is no talk about toxic femininity, which also has toxic elements under the same umbrella. This reinforces Point 1. If the goal was to deal with toxic behaviours that have gendered, socially reinforced trends, then there would be equal discussion of toxic masculinity and toxic femininity. But there isn't. Reinforces Point 1.

Point 3: The qualities you point out aren't toxic inherently. In fact, they have been critical to human society for the duration of written history. These traits have allowed men to sacrifice their lives to protect their society, to work themselves near to death to support their families, to put up with horrible life conditions to support their families, etc. The same qualities were needed for most women, too, up until around 100 years ago, as they dealt with horrible conditions as well. Women have more uniformly been able to accept the traits and behaviours of what would formerly been exhibited only by the wealthy, where as men still need these qualities to survive.

Point 4: Women are attracted to those traits. Ask pretty much every man, and they will say that women in their lives have disliked when they have shown emotion, vulnerability, etc. It can't really be toxic if this is what women actually desire. (It doesn't need to be every woman for it to be women in general.) In my life, my male friends have been far more supportive when I was struggling emotionally than my female friends. I have lost female friends over displays of emotion (not anger, just sadness, tears, etc). Women, in general, want men to be strong enough to support their emotions, and don't want to have to support men's emotions. Just look at the arguments being made about the "emotional work of women". One of the arguments feminists are toting around is the emotional work that women do at home - as if men don't spend vastly more time supporting emotional women? Feminists and nearly everyone would admit that women are more emotional than men, on average. Men wouldn't be told to that they need to show more emotions if otherwise. And yet women also claim they do more emotional labour at home. These are in contradiction with each other.

In the end, this is part of a concerted effort to make men fail in every aspect of society, to beat men down into submission. If there is no winning the game (feminism), there is no point playing. I quit, I am done, feminists can go fuck themselves. I will stand up for my gender, I will stand up for the behaviours that are biologically/hormonally appropriate, and I will not let feminists tell me what it is like to be a man.

My body, my choice, fuckers.

girraween · 2021-01-01T02:39:03+00:00

I showed this to a feminist and they said that they didn’t like one of the guys Facebook posts so the research didn’t mean anything............

IntroductionAsleep65 · 2021-01-01T21:36:07+00:00

Or maybe feminists just are mad cunts

argentpostman · 2021-01-02T21:50:00+00:00

I use the term toxic masculinity because I have experienced and seen it. But I guess I have to admit maybe I haven't considered how the term may be misused by others. But the concept as I use it is a real thing. Believing that there is some objective idea of what being a man is and constantly measuring yourself against it is sad, weak, tragic, useless, inauthentic, degrading, and childish. To me masculinity is knowing who you are and being unafraid to live it out without apology or hypocrisy - other than that I don't care about any one else's standards.

g1455ofwater · 2021-01-01T06:04:43+00:00

This helps show that it's common sense and that when feminists say it's a fair term to use they are arguing in bad faith.

EchtJetzt2 · 2021-01-01T07:10:59+00:00

Honest question.

I thought the term "toxic masculinity" stands for the issue that society expects man not to show emotions, always be the strong one etc. "Man up" "Be a man"

So I thought that term is used by the younger generation (man and women) to fight that old image of man.

What does the term "toxic masculinity" mean for you? Would you prefer to "just" call it sexism? I think a specific term would help to highlight the fact that it's a man's issue, and prevent it from getting lost in all the sexism topics against women. For example.. I googled "circumcision in Europe" earlier and just got hits about girls getting circumcised.

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