Reframing Toxic Masculinity

AugustHank1 · 2021-02-24T07:58:21+00:00

The first problem with the term “toxic masculinity” is that it’s an undefined catch-all for what ever feminists want to throw at it. If they don’t like a trait, then it’s toxic.

The second problem is that TM masculinity isn’t being replaced with any other kind of masculinity. It’s all being thrown out. It’s all being framed as an unnatural construct... because that’s the story that suits their purposes. So what do the feminists suggest TM should be replaced with? Well, that’s your choice. There are no standards. Just make it up. You define masculinity anyway you want to.

That’s not how it works with men. Whether feminists believe it or not, masculinity is exclusive to men. You can’t make it up. Men and women aren’t just biologically different. We’re also emotionally, physically, mentally different. Masculinity’s most basic qualities are part of the fabric of men. Strength. Courage. Mastery. Honor. I don’t dispute that some men do bad things. I don’t dispute that men who would do bad things should be held to higher standards. But, the arbiters and guardians of masculinity should not be women. Those roles are for men. Men need to step up. We police ourselves. We define masculinity...or rather nurture our best innate qualities in each other...the qualities that make us men. Women don’t get to define who we are...or deny us of who we are...anymore than we get to define who they are.

LastRounder · 2021-02-24T07:58:29+00:00

How about we totally abolish the very concept of TM under any disguise or wording? That'd be only decent reframing. To make frame's square equaling zero.

ShortTailBoa · 2021-02-24T06:45:05+00:00

This is actually a really good idea if it caught on because it explains why men are so angry instead of just blaming them for being angry which helps no one

ImplodedPotatoSalad · 2021-02-24T12:11:40+00:00

Still wrong. Anything "masculinity" is good and positive if the man benefits from it.

shit-zen-giggles · 2021-02-24T17:53:49+00:00

Honestly, I'm not even remotely interested in salvaging anything from the buring trash pile that is this concept (you could call it whatever really)

BiggusBassus · 2021-02-25T01:51:10+00:00

Honestly, I dont believie in the term to begin with. It implies that something that is both natural and good for society and literally mankind as whole is something that its not.

To clarify, when these misinformed/brainwashed people say "toxic masculinity", theyre not refering to masculinity to even begin with. They are however more often than not refering to douchebags with douchebag behavior, who just happen to be men.

These same people also fail to realise that if TM is a thing, it obviously must have its counterpart but "only men are evil" so thats not gonna fall into their head any time soon.

Note that im not trying to defend these people, far from it. I just believie media has brainwashed a huge percentage of people (intentionally or not) into believing stuff that does some real damage to society.

I am honestly considering exiling myself from modern society due the increasing hostility towards men. I know the difficulties of doing so, I dont need any more lectures on that. Im just sick of it, thats all.

maxlvb · 2021-02-25T03:52:58+00:00

Or maybe go back to the original meaning of 'toxic masculinity'...

Toxic masculinity was originally created by the mythopoetic men's movement, with a completely different definition. The mythopoets believed that society is/was forcing boys to be feminine (and was having a toxic effect on boys), instead of letting them just be themselves.

Feminists twisted the definition by demanding men be more feminine, and deciding that they know what's best for men. The feminist definition of toxic masculinity is a backlash against the growing number of men speaking up.

Toxic masculinity isn't about masculinity at all; it's all about the negative stereotypes that all men are accused of, simply because they/we are men.

tiredfromlife2019 · 2021-03-01T05:23:44+00:00

How about you tell feminists to fuck off instead?

Why do we give a shit about feminist framing about what Masculinity is?

Feminists and women say that we have no place to discuss anything about women cause we are not women and don't have the right to control them nor can we understand them and their lived experience.

So why the hell are we letting them tell us how to be men?

HeartOfSky · 2021-02-24T06:54:57+00:00

Don't reframe it. Just don't be it and don't tolerate it in others.

Title	Reframing Toxic Masculinity
Author	mashiweirk
Upvotes	0
Comments	30
Date	February 24, 2021 6:35 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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