I have edited this post to provide vote total scores for each selected "democracy" comment, to provide context some felt was missing
Democracy is an enemy in many RedPill positions. One example is that much of TRP concludes that women should not be allowed to vote. Though the sentiment is far from universal, it is often warmly received, and it arises pretty naturally from core RedPill ideas.
Is there an anti-democratic streak? Is it correct? Is it wrong but harmless? Is it too selective, legal oppression for some but democracy for others?
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To start with, here are some more core ideas that seem to naturally lead to anti-democratic sentiment in redpill spaces.
Each of these is again not universal and they may arguably only be stated in some less than exact/literal sense, but they're probably more popular than the explicitly anti-democratic sentiments, are usually showcased in the sidebar and other popular sources, and are frequently referenced in anti-democratic positions.
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Women are less mature, intelligent, rational, honorable, morally principled, or independent (see: "Captain, First Mate" or "bureaugamy") than men.
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Women do not contribute to society. [1] [2] [3]
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There is not, and cannot be equality between the genders, and women benefit from being treated unequally/submissively/subordinately (evolutionary psychology, captain/first mate).
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Here is a sample of places that anti-democratism, usually specifically anti-women's suffrage sentiments, are displayed. Note how often they draw on the above ideas, too.
I've tried to subdivide by source to make navigation a bit easier.
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Some of the deeper beliefs can appear misogynistic to the uninitiated.
Like the view that women shouldn't vote.
Or the view that women don't contribute to society.
Or the view that women are just over grown teenagers.
Remember that women are children and that they shouldnt vote.
Women's suffrage is the worst thing to happen to Western civilization: Allowing women voting privilege. We were warned
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Women should never have been allowed to vote.
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yet another reason that women's suffrage is so detrimental to a society.
(20, 42|22)
A. The original anti-suffragists are demonized in history, but were they wrong? B. I'm unconvinced that democracy is a just or even feasible political belief so I don't care who has the 'right' to vote.
(8, 22|14)
Democracy is the most horrible form of government.
(16, 29|13)
most RP guys are not against women's suffrage in totality, but rather against women's suffrage because:
They do not have to sign up for selective service (i.e. be forced to go to war)
They can divorce a man, take his kids, and then let big brother government pay for her and her child, while she avoids several taxes and gets free money. There is a very minute population of men that are in this situation, but I would doubt that they get the exact same benefit amounts as women in these situations.
Other moral and philosophical reasons, such as: female solipsism, honor as an abstract male concept, etc.
(-1, 14|15)
Women's suffrage leads to massively increased taxation, welfare state, gun control, and government intrusion into personal lives.
I don't think "equality" is worth the cost.
(8, 19|11)
Women's suffrage was giving majority control to a minority stakeholder. It's not what screwed up the US, but it was the ultimate nail in the coffin.
(8, 20|12)
A woman's hamster obviously makes her a liability when it comes to voting, but I think it's more than just that. Think about the fact that very few women know what it takes to be a leader and make decisions for the greater good. Only men know what it's like to truly sacrifice when you're in charge because honor doesn't exist for women.
The fact that women are naturally more submissive also bothers me. For instance, I noticed during the whole NSA scandal that women seemed far less caring about the breaches in privacy. They just saw it as more security and were much more willing to accept it because they didn't see it as an immediate threat to their lifestyle. What's going to happen if the time comes when people need to fight back?
(3, 16|13)
i would [end women's suffrage]. and im serious.
(0, 6|6)
I had a conversation with my militant lesbian feminist daughter this very evening whereby I expounded the virtues of bringing back Jim Crow laws.
(0, 10|10)
I think arabs do it right where women have 1/2 a vote or 1/4 a vote.
There is no political solutions to men's rights as long as we have women's suffrage.
I don't think women having that right is a bad thing per say. The problem is that these same women who wanted that right were not objective about it nor qualified to have it ... Rather than saying "we need to vote because we are smart, logical, and can make good decisions." They said "we need to vote because we're oppressed!"
[In the manosphere at large]
It's worth noting that this idea seems FAR more popular in RedPill spaces outside of reddit.
Paraphrased, "once the white man wakes up we'll secede."
"Single women should not vote."
Women's suffrage -> bureaugamy, unacceptable expansion of statism.
Women's suffrage is unstable; women are submissive.
Women's suffrage feminizes society, as witnessed by our current Crazy Cat Lady stage of development.
Maxim #66: The worst thing to happen to America was women’s suffrage.
the inevitable failure of democracy with universal suffrage appears obvious.
Because women are collectively more short-sighted and more self-centered than men, giving them an equal voice in society is tantamount to a slow-motion execution for any society.
"Why Women's Suffrage Destroys Democracy"
This entire RedPill blog is an antidemocratic screed, but I guess for specific anti-democratism check its introduction posts, part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5, part 6.
We have swallowed the red pill, which now makes its way to the stomach. [...]
Again, our goal is to detach you [...] from the annelid parasite which now occupies a significant percentage of your cranium, and of course is fully integrated with your soul.
This worm goes by many a name, but today we'll just call it democracy.
Obviously, once you stop believing in democracy, it is easy to stop seeing the failure of this political design in societies with a high percentage of non-Eurasian genetic ancestry as a moral reflection on persons of non-Eurasian ancestry, and start seeing it as an mere engineering failure. Ie: if Negroes are unsuited for representative government, the fault lies entirely with the latter. Europeans are unsuited for representative government, too - just slightly less unsuited.
And really, pick any sidebar blog and search for conversations about "suffrage"--they crop up ALARMINGLY often in comment sections but goodness, I can't hope to showcase all of that.
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