What's the male equivalent of The Wall?

changshuaidiao · 2014-09-01T10:15:27+00:00

Men don't hit walls, we climb them.

RXRob · 2014-09-01T08:01:17+00:00

There isn't one. A man's SMV increases with age. But the older you get, the faster it will drop if you stop working for it.

[deleted] · 2014-09-01T14:23:54+00:00

The day you stop making money.

mordanus · 2014-09-01T10:33:16+00:00

Our smv steadily increases while women's steadily decreases. Women are born valuable and that value decreases with age. Men are basically born disposable. Our value comes from what we are willing to take and create ourselves into. So as long as your are going to keep trying and build your smv you don't hit a wall until you die. Look at all the old fuckers in the world that are still banging hotties.

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PrimaxAUS · 2014-09-01T09:00:46+00:00

Being a teenager/early 20s.

You have no life experience, you're probably super skinny, insecure and awkward. Not by the standards of your age, by the standards of men in general.

I used to wonder why it was so hard when I was that age to get laid. At 29+, I started sleeping with a lot of 18-25 year olds. Women are interested in men, not boys.

TheReason13 · 2014-09-01T12:11:52+00:00

There is no male wall. My grandfather, rest his soul, was out impregnating women in his mid 70's. He was a plumber. He had a reputation for being a playboy. I would have new uncles, aunts and cousins I've never met introduced to me out of the blue at various times over the course of my life.

sir_wankalot_here · 2014-09-01T08:02:08+00:00

Geriatric, bedridden, drooling all over yourself, all mental abilities are gone.

One of my grandfathers had cuckholded anywhere from 15 to god nows how many society women who where married. As in gotten them pregnant. I always maintained he was never senile, but after he had problems walking, he would boast about the women he fucked. Most of the women he boasted about had a kid that looked like him. He started doing that back in the late 1940s.

The perverted old fart was charming as hell. He would repeatedly get nurses or maids to bend over his bed and then he would grope their tits, ass or pussy. Allegedly the nurses would claim he tricked them which I find hard to believe because he repeatedly tricked them every day.

Allegedly he even managed to convince two of the nurses to do some sort of sexual acts with him.

[deleted] · 2014-09-01T08:01:23+00:00

When, after years of buying into the Did'ney fantasy of eternal unconditional love and soulmates, you realize that AWALT and come to /r/theredpill and proceed to slam pussy left and right. It's like the opposite of the female Wall.

whatsazipper · 2014-09-01T15:08:10+00:00

Giving up; apathy; self-destruction.

Zackcid · 2014-09-01T08:20:17+00:00

The male's "Wall" probably occurs in the early teen years, although not to every male. Those early years often determine the boy's sexual success for the remainder of his life. If you've gone through your teenage years without having sex or even kissing a girl, it usually means you've hit your "Wall" and will be undesirable to the opposite sex.

Fortunately, no man is a lost cause. Men can improve themselves. Men's primary attractive cues are not his looks, but other traits.

MikeyCSGO · 2014-09-01T12:55:08+00:00

Men have a wall, we have to climb over it earlier in life and we become better people for it.

Some men can't or never climb the wall and remain are undateable

myschadenfreude · 2014-09-01T12:55:30+00:00

Middle school.

In all seriousness past 25-30 we are on the increase and women decrease. 50-60, yeah you're not attracting 20 somethings, but would you want that for more than sex? Men's SMV is attached to his experience and gravitas as equally or more than his looks. Just look at all the old powerful guys having affairs.

Trust me, I'm in my mid-30's and it keeps getting better.

[deleted] · 2014-09-01T16:43:40+00:00

The closest thing a man has to the wall is death. By thirty I will have paid off a significant chunk of my mortgage with a healthy career after several promotions and a great sense of well-being after working out and looking after my body for so many years.

Women at that age offer nothing but a rapidly declining ability to have healthy children, the vast majority will be overweight and stuck in dead-end jobs. They will have certainly lost a lot of their sexual attractiveness. The genders go in opposite directions.

The older you are, the more value you have but that's not automatic, you still have to work hard for it. If you're 30 and still living at home with a shitty office job and a beer belly, you're still going to be a harmless background loser that feminists will love in public, but scold in private.

CokeandGrappa · 2014-09-01T19:32:12+00:00

I think i hit my wall at 55.

Its when you start to get injured lifting stuff, you fall off a bike and break your finger, you dont carve sex that much any more. Its when i realized, if my SO walks out, i wont be chasing another one.

I still look after cute girls, good shaped age 15 to 30 still act as magnets for my eyes. But over 30 i dont give a glance. Women my own age are sometimes good to chat with, but sex, or a relationship, hell no.

exit_sandman · 2014-09-01T10:14:52+00:00

If we're talking about "the wall" as in "baby rabies/menopause", it doesn't really exist. If we're talking about "the wall" as in "declining attractiveness", it does exist. It's just that a man doesn't suffer that much from a physical decline (greying hair and wrinkles aren't that much of an indicator of declining fertility in the eyes of the opposite sex, so...) and can be more than offset this by other qualities - but this doesn't mean that you weren't more handsome (potentially, at least) in your 20s than you are in your 40s.

If you want a 20 year old CC-abstaining unicorn who is genuinely attracted to you, will permanently commit to you, carry your children and stay clear of anyone else I'd say around 35 if she doesn't really care that much about age and you are of reasonably high SMV; the age gap will stay roughly the same for advancing age (early 40s will be eligible for mid 20s, early 50s will be eligible for early 30s...). Truly exceptional guys may perhaps overcome that limit, but who can claim that he is?

I know, this is not what TRP suggests, but I would strongly suggest to be realistic here - it's still infinitely better than what women get once they hit the wall. Of course unless all you want is spinning plates, this you can continue for quite some time.

[deleted] · 2014-09-01T08:02:36+00:00

I like to think men get off the wall when we start utilizing our potential. Say, when we set up a life for ourselves after getting a good career and establised a home. Our SMV can't drop as low as a womans due to age.

Red_August · 2014-09-01T12:15:00+00:00

Of course not. Is this a redundant question?

I can share my my mid-to-late forties-man perspective on this if it helps. I certainly don't have the stellar SMV of a rock star by far but I will unabashedly state that I am very much above-average for the rest of us, the common mortal, the 99.9%.

The last 15 years have been much, much easier than my twenties when it comes to pussy but this needs to be qualified. When I was 25, I would look at pussy from 16 to 25, the prime pussy. I would never entertain the idea of banging a 30-year-old even with someone else's dick.

Today, I still desire the prime pussy as I'm hardwired for it but I am mostly invisible to them. That's a harsh reality. My range is mostly 26-33ish - right at the wall. There's the exceptional early-twenties one now and then but they'll usually come from the stripper, daddy-issue, or free-love, or "crazy redhead called Tiffany" type. Certainly not LTR material. I've also had nice ones in their mid-to-late thirties but of course, I prefer them much younger.

My pool of women has never been bigger. I now look at the full fuckable age range. However, I am now starting to sense a contraction to my range. As the young ones start to fade out of radar, I'm also hitting against a hard upper age limit for girls that I simply find unfuckable. I expect that it will continue to shrink and get somewhat harder as I glide down my own SMV decline. Luckily, its a slow one for us men.

So at 27, I wouldn't worry about it one single bit. In fact, on paper, your best years are still ahead of you. After that, you'll just have to work a little harder at maintaining it, that's all.

Your mileage may vary. For context: I'm in my mid to late forties, I'm in very good shape, good profession, good education, fairly fortunate with the genetics, and I live in a world capital. I've never married by choice (always upfront about it) and have always preferred serial LTRs (some exclusive) punctuated with heavy bouts of plate spinning. I've never had any real pussy drought from the age of 18 onwards including my beta twenties. I've only recently started considering having babies.

[deleted] · 2014-09-01T14:35:09+00:00

I think a man hits the wall when he gets married as there is literally noway out of that unless you have a bullet proof pre-nup in place

Lithiumthium · 2014-09-01T22:11:26+00:00

Men age like wine, women age like meat.” This is the truth but if you don’t create the environment and conditions for it you end up aging like cheap wine.

Average_Black_Man · 2014-09-01T07:41:05+00:00

The wall for males is when your physical/mental state starts to deteriorate. So probably late 40's is too late. Early-mid 30's is in your prime.

pupplenupple · 2014-09-01T10:25:33+00:00

There is no wall when it comes to being beta bux, women will marry ninety year old men quite happily.

There is a wall when it comes to alpha fux. Look at Rupert Murdoch... he's still alpha of course in terms of holding frame, having options etc, but Wendy Deng was off looking for a bit of something slightly younger. Alpha fux is about your ability to make her instinctively feel you'll protect her and being a frail old man does not do that.

RPSavant · 2014-09-01T13:12:30+00:00

complex question. the "feel good" answer is that there is no wall and that SMV goes up and up forever but the reality is that if you are wanting to get some pussy and you are unable to then it's time to reevaluate.

In the free sexual market a woman can get the young Alpha cock until they drop to a 2/10 and then will set their eyes on the Beta Bucks provider. They have 30 years of experience manipulating men by then so one must tread very cautiously and not underestimate their abilities....

[deleted] · 2014-09-01T13:56:52+00:00

Imagine you're a millionair, and all of a sudden you lose all your money.

[deleted] · 2014-09-01T14:59:27+00:00

Men can hit the wall at any age if they choose to stagnate in their lives. By this I mean neglecting to improve themselves, mentally, physically, financially or talent wise. Constant improvement is key to maxing yourself out as a man. If you ain't going forward, you're going backwards.

thewrightstuff88 · 2014-09-01T15:28:14+00:00

I don't think there is a wall per se, more of something along the lines of women's makeup. Think about erectile dysfunction. Its a natural issue, just like women's beauty and for women, they use make up to fix their beauty, which, in a sense, ruins the genuine nature of a woman's beauty. ED can do the same for men, that is, if a woman found out you were taking viagra/cialis/ed meds. I think that its much more palatable for a woman who you have been married with for some time because she will be more understanding. But as an older male still dating, it seems like it could affect your prospects if they happen to find out you are on ED meds.

Rougepellet · 2014-09-01T15:49:11+00:00

Men's SMV are like slopes. Can keep improving but if you stop improving you slide downwards.

Stationarity · 2014-09-01T16:31:33+00:00

Recently I've read several links from this board and others to articles by women who have hit the wall. They talk about how men don't notice them anymore, don't catcall, don't flirt, etc. Well, I'm familiar with that because I've been overweight my whole life, and had very little female attention. I've been described as handsome, funny, smart and have 3 advanced degrees, but...

Excess body fat is estrogenizing. Women don't like that. If you happen to be badly overweight in high school, you'll have very little experience with the opposite sex....which can carry over into your esteem, and into the rest of your life. It affects how you dress, which is a big conveyor of status.

I currently work in a small restaurant near a university of about 8000, so I have a steady stream of 20 y/o coming in. The ones that have high SMV(or think they do) will literally not look at me from the time they come in the door until they leave. They will walk up to the counter and order while looking at the menu board, bathroom, floor etc. They will fumble through their purse to find their debit card, hand it to me, while looking elsewhere. It used to annoy me, after the redpill, I just chuckle. An observer of this is my friend... male coworker, 24, that was a multi sport athlete, gets looks and offers thrown at him all the time.

Could I entice these girls by wearing a suit and driving a fancy car...I doubt it. Can I neg them into considering me. Nah. I'm just biding my time, dropping weight, upping my SMV and reading these boards for when I see the IOIs in the future.

Obesity might not be the wall, but it's a wall.

busior · 2014-09-01T16:38:41+00:00

Well I'd say there's something like a reverse wall for men. You start from the bottom at 15 or so and rise up. Not so much because of your body but because you lack experience and you need time to overcome years of brainwashing.

NakedAndBehindYou · 2014-09-01T16:58:32+00:00

For women, the wall is something they fall off of. For men, the wall is something you must climb.

toysjoe · 2014-09-01T17:15:14+00:00

Men don't have a "wall". Men have I guess a "bubble". You either work to pop out of your bubble or you stay in there forever white-knighting and jacking off.

Olipyr · 2014-09-01T18:29:50+00:00

Our wall is being carried by six to our eternal slumber.

NoFatChicks88 · 2014-09-01T18:55:13+00:00

I am going to disagree with the others and say there is a male wall, however, it is only reached once it gets to the point where it physically hurts (your back, or whatever) to fool around with ladies. Can't really see a man's SMV climbing after that.

chakravanti93 · 2014-09-01T21:32:41+00:00

30 and instead of hitting it, you are the wall.

General_Fear · 2014-09-01T22:26:08+00:00

You got money? Then you don't have a problem.

That is why a geezer like Hugh Hefner bangs women in their 30's.

The_Psychopath · 2014-09-02T01:48:31+00:00

The pit. You're born in it and you spend your entire life climbing out of it.

Title	What's the male equivalent of The Wall?
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Date	September 1, 2014 7:38 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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