Including Wife on NMMNG Journey

[deleted] · 2014-12-18T21:24:23+00:00

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strategos_autokrator · 2014-12-18T21:10:51+00:00

Actions not words. The best way to include her is for you to change the dynamics. She will be happier. That is what matters.

If you bring her in any other way you might be doing it out of a covert contracf or looking for aproval. Those are the things you are trying to stop.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-12-19T04:15:26+00:00

I think this is the only Red Pill book that suggest alerting your wife to your plans.

If sex is not a problem I don't see a big downside. My wife read NMMG, and Athol Kay's books just to figure out what I was doing. What is the problem with sharing about Covert Contracts and "Nice Guys" are not really nice. She will be thrilled.

The only other thing you might discuss with your wife on your TRP journey is about the Captain/First Officer arrangement. Shit Tests and hypergamy are off the table though.

nopbeentheredonethat · 2014-12-19T04:51:25+00:00

It depend on the level and quality of communication that you have with your wife. Will your wife try to challenge you at first? sure she will but it's up to you to power true those challenge. Is it easy having your wife in the know? It will make for some very interesting conversation I'll tell you.

Look If your brave and if your not afraid of the challenge I say go for it. It will make thing a lot faster if you can navigate true the initial resistance. It sure did put my relationship with my wife on the fast track. She even contribute here from time to time.

Actually having your first mate on board with you will give you some margin for error that you would not have otherwise.

Now on the how... well be frank be honest and stay true to yourself.

Good luck.

OpiumPhrogg · 2014-12-19T03:39:37+00:00

The way I see it, sometimes, if you want to make an omellete you gotta break some eggs. The thing is, being selective with what and when you share things with your wife. She is in it for the long haul and needs to know you are an emotional creature from time to time. You can tell her that you plan to work on yourself to better the relationship and that she may have to deal with some changes, but don't go into specifics about books or methodology. Then after she starts to see the changes, if needed you can 'open up' and share the feelings you feel are appropriate when the time is right. Don't open up come the first shit test, you will have to learn how to deal with those first so you can hold frame when you do decide to 'get emotional'.

[deleted] · 2014-12-19T03:39:48+00:00

I thinks others have said this, but I like simple.

She will be attracted to you to the same degree she can pull from your strength to use as her own. If you are leaning on her and drawing strength from her to make these changes, then she is not increasing her reserves by tapping into yours, she's, at best, replenishing the strength she lost to you.

UEMcGill · 2014-12-19T12:23:59+00:00

I was pretty active on the NMMNG forums prior to this. The general consensus is the Doc was wrong. Maybe tell your wife your going on a journey, but reading the book is off limits.

RedPillJohnny · 2014-12-19T15:35:56+00:00

Hey OP. Plausible deniability is key. I don't stand by the first rule of red pill. My wife is clued in, and although it took a lot of hammer and tongs work, she understands it rationally. She finds it convenient to forget and doesn't necessarily like to be reminded.

It'll help if you can make intelligent comments about relationships that your wife's friends have. In this case, the hamster is your ally. Even if you have cutting insight into other relationships, your wife won't necessarily put 2 and 2 together and conclude you're using your insights on her. Not because she's stupid, obviously, but because it wouldn't serve her to do so. This way you can share, she can learn & understand, but maintain the deniability she needs to maintain her face and self-image.

It might also help to start adopting a critical distance from everything you analyze / criticize. If you make logical non-personal arguments all the time, about everything (which is what rational people should be doing anyway), then when you make rational comments about relationships it will sound less discordant.

Last point: the way you analyze your pseudo-affairs worries me. An affair for a redpill man is nothing to be worried about, in my opinion. It's useful to have a reminder every now and again that you could have comfort and sex outside of your marriage. It changes how you feel about yourself and how your wife feels about you, even undiscovered. The redpill is about defining your role in society for yourself, but it still seems like you're fighting against bluepill morality. Kill that part of yourself.

[deleted] · 2014-12-19T15:05:54+00:00

I'm just curious why bringing your wife along on this journey matters to you? It seems, and I might be wrong, that you're bringing her along in order to gain her approval. Shouldn't you do what you need to do to improve yourself?

I just don't see how you can maintain frame while trying to recreate yourself in a cooperative way

RedPillJohnny · 2014-12-19T17:54:46+00:00

I think the point of the sharing it with your wife is to help you correct her way of thinking so that you can both be honest with each other and have a fulfilling honest relationship with each other ...and if she doesn't like it then divorce will ensue...and I think that is the point...expose your "new" self and live honestly or else move the fuck on because you will just be creating another layer of insincerity and lies which will ultimately make you unhappy. Glover doesn't want you to submit this book to your wife for her approval, he wants you to expose the new you to her so she will either buck up and fall in line with the NWO or walk the fuck out the door.

M0rphF13nd · 2014-12-21T05:45:21+00:00

I'm literally doing the same thing. I've given the wife a copy of the book with some of my reasoning.

When I first told her she literally rolled her eyes. She read some return of kings when a few months ago she knew I was looking at it. She road more than I did and made her own mind up about what red pill is.

I told her, you don't see it right. This isn't about me turning you into a meat puppet. It's about me breaking down the barriers of conformity, the bullshit Hollywood and societal expectations I face every day. I'm going on this journey and I'm inviting you to understand it for transparency, not approval. She is into alternative though (she home schools our kids extremely successfully), when I put it this way she was actually quite into it. I'm deconstructing and perfecting myself. Breaking free of external conditioning, becoming more pure. I even read all the nice guy goods and bads bit out loud. She was actually very cool about it after I read that to her.

I'm certain there will be a set back here and there, but I've been open to her about it. I don't see the need to do it in stealth, but I suppose it depends on the wife and how you understand how she thinks and reacts before you talk to her about it. I think the main point is that regardless of how she interprets it, the core of it should be that you are dedicated to the improvements, you've told her what your plan is and you're doing it with or without her approval. Enjoy the ride or get the fuck out of the way.

Title	Including Wife on NMMNG Journey
Author	NoMoreBetaBitch
Upvotes	7
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Date	December 18, 2014 8:47 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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